Power signal calculation using Parseval's Theorem

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The discussion revolves around calculating the received power of a transmitted signal using Parseval's Theorem in the context of signal processing and convolution. The original poster presents a transmitted power signal and a multipath channel model, leading to a convolution operation to determine the received signal.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Parseval's theorem to relate time-domain and frequency-domain representations of the signal. Questions arise regarding the mathematical validity of using delta functions in the context of power calculations and the implications of finite signal duration.

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There is an ongoing examination of the original poster's approach, with some participants providing feedback on potential errors in the integration limits and the handling of absolute values in the calculations. Suggestions for reconsidering assumptions about the signal duration and the nature of the multipath channel have been made, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

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Participants note that the conditions under which the calculations are performed may not align with standard practices, particularly regarding the limits of integration and the application of Parseval's theorem. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the mathematical treatment of delta functions is appropriate for the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Hi guys,
I have the following transmitted power signal:

$$x(t)=\alpha_m \ cos[2\pi(f_c+f_m)t+\phi_m],$$
where: ##\alpha_m=constant, \ \ f_c,f_m: frequencies, \ \ \theta_m: initial \ phase.##

The multipath channel is:
$$h(t)=\sum_{l=1}^L \sqrt{g_l} \ \delta(t-\tau_l).$$

The received signal is the convolution between ##x(t)## and ##h(t)##, i.e.:
$$y(t)=x(t)*h(t)$$
where ##*## represent the convolution symbol.

I need to calculate the received power, which is:
$$R=(f_c+f_m) \int_0^{\frac{1}{f_c+f_m}} |y(t)|^2 dt.$$

Homework Equations


In order to simplify the calculation of ##y(t)##, I decided to calculate the Fourier-transform of ##x(t)## and ##h(t)##, so that the time-domain convolution will become a multiplication in frequency-domain; then I got:

$$Y(f)= \frac{\pi}{2} \alpha_m \sum_{l=1}^{L} \sqrt{g_l}\left [ e^{-j(\omega \tau_l - \theta_m)} \delta(\omega - \omega_0) + e^{-j(\omega \tau_l + \theta_m)} \delta(\omega + \omega_0) \right ],$$
with: ##\omega_0= 2\pi (f_c + f_m).##

The Attempt at a Solution


According the Parseval's theorem, the integral ##\int_0^{\frac{1}{f_c+f_m}} |y(t)|^2 dt## will be equivalent to ##\int_0^{f_c+f_m} |Y(f)|^2 df##, so that:

$$R=(f_c+f_m) \int_0^{f_c+f_m} |Y(f)|^2 df=$$
$$=(f_c+f_m) \Big(\frac{\pi}{2} \alpha_m\Big)^2 \int_0^{f_c+f_m} \Big| \sum_{l=1}^{L} \sqrt{g_l}\left [ e^{-j(\omega \tau_l - \theta_m)} \delta(\omega - \omega_0) + e^{-j(\omega \tau_l + \theta_m)} \delta(\omega + \omega_0) \right ] \Big|^2 df =$$
$$=(f_c+f_m) \Big(\frac{\pi}{2} \alpha_m\Big)^2 \sum_{l=1}^{L} {g_l} \int_0^{f_c+f_m} \left [ \Big( e^{-j(\omega \tau_l - \theta_m)} \delta(\omega - \omega_0) \Big)^2 + \Big( e^{-j(\omega \tau_l + \theta_m)} \delta(\omega + \omega_0) \Big)^2 +\underbrace{2 \Big| e^{-j(\omega \tau_l - \theta_m)} e^{-j(\omega \tau_l + \theta_m)}\delta(\omega - \omega_0)\delta(\omega + \omega_0)}_{=0} \Big| \right ] df $$

The last term is equal to zero because I have the multiplication of 2 delta; then:

$$R=(f_c+f_m) \int_0^{f_c+f_m} |Y(f)|^2df =$$
$$= (f_c+f_m) \Big(\frac{\pi}{2} \alpha_m\Big)^2 \sum_{l=1}^{L} {g_l} \Big[ \int_0^{f_c+f_m} \Big( e^{-j(\omega \tau_l - \theta_m)} \delta(\omega - \omega_0)\Big)^2 df + \int_0^{f_c+f_m} \Big(e^{-j(\omega \tau_l + \theta_m)} \delta(\omega + \omega_0) \Big) ^2 df \Big] $$

We can rewrite ##R## in this form:
$$R=(f_c+f_m) \Big(\frac{\pi}{2} \alpha_m\Big)^2 \sum_{l=1}^{L} {g_l} \Big[ \Big|e^{-j(\omega_0 \tau_l - \theta_m)} \Big|^2 + \Big| e^{j(\omega_0 \tau_l - \theta_m)} \Big|^2 \Big]$$

My supervisor suggested told me the solution is about correct and it should be proportional to ##|H(f_c+f_m)|^2##.

Actually I am stucked here and I cannot find the errors; so, your help will be really appreciated.

Thanks so much.
 
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I question whether it is mathematically sound to have ## h(t) ## as a delta function so that you wind up taking the square of delta function(s) for power received. It might be necessary to make it rectangles of finite width. Additional item is it may be necessary to have the signal ## x(t) ## last for a finite time so that you don't have a delta function ## \delta(\omega-\omega_o) ## that winds up getting squared, which again, I'm not sure that such a thing is workable. Just a couple of inputs=perhaps others have additional inputs that might help to get the solution.
 
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I see two additional problems:
1. Your upper limit of integration is too small. Under the usual condition that fc >> fm, your time integral runs over just a single cycle of the carrier, which excludes contributions from the delayed paths. The limit should be at least as big as the biggest \tau term.
2. You have incorrectly taken the absolute value squared in section 3. The squared term must include the summation and \sqrt{g_l} inside of it so that you get a lot of cross terms.
 
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Firstly, thanks Charles Link and Marcusl for your reply.
Unfortunately it was the text of the exercise, then I guess my supervisor made some assumptions.

The condition that the biggest ##\tau## is bigger than ##f_c+f_m## is always verified.

I then wrote again the expression of ##R##, and considering that ##|Y(f)|^2=Y(f) \ Y^*(f)##, I got this:

$$R=(f_c+f_m) \Big(\frac{\pi}{2} \alpha_m\Big)^2 \int_0^{f_c+f_m} \Big| \sum_{l=1}^{L} \sqrt{g_l}\left [ e^{-j(\omega \tau_l - \theta_m)} \delta(\omega - \omega_0) + e^{-j(\omega \tau_l + \theta_m)} \delta(\omega + \omega_0) \right ] \Big|^2 df =$$
$$(f_c+f_m) (\frac{\pi}{2}\alpha_m)^2 \int_0^{f_c+f_m} \Big[\sum_{l=1}^L \sqrt{g_l} \ e^{-j(w\tau_l-\theta_m)}\delta(\omega-\omega_0)+ \sum_{l=1}^L \sqrt{g_l} \ e^{-j(w\tau_l+\theta_m)} \delta(\omega+\omega_0) \Big] \Big[\sum_{l=1}^L \sqrt{g_l} \ e^{j(w\tau_l-\theta_m)}\delta(\omega-\omega_0)+ \sum_{l=1}^L \sqrt{g_l} \ e^{j(w\tau_l+\theta_m)} \delta(\omega+\omega_0) \Big] df.$$

Now the terms which present the multiplication between ##\delta(\omega-\omega_0)## and ##\delta(\omega+\omega_0)##, according the distribution theory, are equal to ##0##; so we got:

$$R=(f_c+f_m) (\frac{\pi}{2}\alpha_m)^2 \int_0^{f_c+f_m} 2 \sum_{l=1}^L g_l \ df= \frac{\pi^2}{2}{\alpha_m}^2 (f_c+f_m)^2 \sum_{l=1}^L g_l $$

Can you see any mistakes in this?
 
Mik256 said:
The condition that the biggest τ\tau is bigger than fc+fmf_c+f_m is always verified.
1. This makes no sense since time and frequency have different units. You need to integrate over a time longer than \tau_{max} . In fact, you have mis-applied Parseval's (Plancheral's) theorem altogether, since it is true only for infinite limits.

2. Your square is still wrong. You must write it out like this $$\int_{-\infty}^\infty \Big| \sum_{l=1}^{L} c_l(\omega) \Big|^2 d\omega = \int_{-\infty}^\infty \sum_{l=1}^{L} c_l(\omega) \sum_{m=1}^{L} c^*_m(\omega) d\omega$$
where c is all the stuff in the summand.
 
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