Calculation of particles by integral

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total number of particles in a periodic wave-section with a varying radius described by the function h(z)=1+A*sin(2*pi*z/L). Participants explore the method of volume integration using the concentration function C(z,r,t) as the integrand over the volume of the wave-section.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to calculate the total number of particles using volume integration over a wave-section defined by a varying radius.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the concentration function C(z,r,t) and emphasizes the need to define the infinitesimal volume element dV accurately.
  • A participant proposes expressing dV as dA*dz, where dA represents the area of a circle, and seeks clarification on how to express dA in terms of the radius.
  • There is a suggestion that the correct expression for dA should be based on the cross-sectional area, specifically as pi*h(z)^2.
  • A later reply confirms the integral form as \int^{}_{V} C(z,r,t) dV=\pi \int^{}_{z} C(z,r,t) h^2(z) dz.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of volume integration and the form of the integral, but there is some uncertainty regarding the correct expression for dA and the definition of dV.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the definitions and assumptions related to the concentration function and the volume element, which may affect the integration process.

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Hi,

I would like to calculate total number of particles in one periodic wave-section whose radius varies by h(z)=1+A*sin(2*pi*z/L), where A is the profile amplitude and L is the wavelength of one wave-section.
I thought, I will do by volume integration, say integral over V (volume of one wave-section) and the integrand is the concentration C(z,r,t), where z & r are the axial and radial direction respectively, and I want to integrate w.r. to V, i.e., dV.

Can anybody give idea about this calculation?
 
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I'm having trouble figuring out what you're trying to calculate. I'm assuming you have a separate function for concentration you haven't listed? C(z,r,t)

In this case, you are correct. C(z,r,t) will be the integrand and you will integrate over the entire wave-section volume. The next step in this is figuring out exactly what is in that infinitesimal element dV. What's a convenient way to express volume given the coordinate system?
 
Thanks for your response, Overt. I want to express dV=dA*dz, where dA is the area of a circle and dz is the step size in z-direction. Now, the question is, how can I express dA? Will it be dA=2*pi*r*dr or dA=pi*h(z)^2, where h(z) is the tube radius at z?
 
nazmulislam said:
Thanks for your response, Overt. I want to express dV=dA*dz, where dA is the area of a circle and dz is the step size in z-direction. Now, the question is, how can I express dA? Will it be dA=2*pi*r*dr or dA=pi*h(z)^2, where h(z) is the tube radius at z?
The correct formula would be dv = A * dz. In other words, it wouldn't be dA * dz. Based on what you have said, the cross-sectional area A would be ##\pi (h(z))^2##.
 
Thanks, Mark.
 
So, finally the integral will come into the form \int^{}_{V} C(z,r,t) dV=\pi \int^{}_{z} C(z,r,t) h^2(z) dz.
 

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