Calculation of the electric field strength

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field strength between two point charges, specifically q1 = 8nC and q2 = -6nC, separated by a distance of 10 cm. Participants are exploring how to determine the point along the line connecting the charges where the electric field strength is zero.

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  • Participants attempt to calculate the electric field strengths E1 and E2 at a midpoint and discuss the conditions for the electric field to equal zero. They raise questions about the setup of their equations and the implications of the charges' magnitudes on the location of the zero field point.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the correctness of their approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of quadratic equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the methods or solutions being proposed.

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Participants express uncertainty about the calculations involving the quadratic equation and the implications of negative values encountered during the process. There are also concerns about the clarity of the equations presented, particularly regarding unit consistency.

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Hey,

First I want to find the electric field strength from the middle between two point charges q1 = 8nC and q2 = -6nC.
The distance between the two charges is 10 cm. Then i want to find out at which point of a straight line, which runs through the two charges is the electric field strength equal to zero?

r= 5cm = 0.05m

E1 = F1 / q1 = k*q1/r^2= 8.99*10^ Nm^2 / C^2 * 8 * 10^-9 C / 0.05^2 = 2.8768*10^4 N = 28.8 kN.

E2 = k * q2/r^2 =8.99*10^ Nm^2 / C^2 * -6 * 10^-9 C / 0.05^2 = -2.1576*10^4 N = -21.576 kN

Between the two charges the electric fields of q1 and q2 are showing the same direction,so the overall field strength is calculated through addition of those two.

E = E1 + E2 = 7.1192 kN.

If i imagine a straight line going through those two charges,where the positice charge is on the left side and the negative charge on the right,and want to find the point where the field is zero , its at the point where the two fields have the same value but opposite direction. E1 = -E2 .

Due to higher positive charge and lower negative i would say its on the right side of the negative charge.

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k*q1 /r1^2 = k*q2 / r2^2

i divide it by k

q1 /r1^2=q2 / r2^2

r1^2 = (0.1m + r2 )^2

8*10^-9 C /(0.01 m^2 + 0.2m*r2 + r2^2) = -6*10^-9 C / r2^2

so I am coming to...

(8*10^-7 C/m^2) * r2^2 + 40 * 10^-9 C/m * r2 + 1 = - 6*10^-9 C

further i don't know how to calculate the r2 out of it...

is there an easier way to get the r2 or r1 ?

Kind regards
 
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psy said:
Hey,

First I want to find the electric field strength from the middle between two point charges q1 = 8nC and q2 = -6nC.
The distance between the two charges is 10 cm. Then i want to find out at which point of a straight line, which runs through the two charges is the electric field strength equal to zero?

r= 5cm = 0.05m

E1 = F1 / q1 = k*q1/r^2= 8.99*10^ Nm^2 / C^2 * 8 * 10^-9 C / 0.05^2 = 2.8768*10^4 N = 28.8 kN.

E2 = k * q2/r^2 =8.99*10^ Nm^2 / C^2 * -6 * 10^-9 C / 0.05^2 = -2.1576*10^4 N = -21.576 kN

Between the two charges the electric fields of q1 and q2 are showing the same direction,so the overall field strength is calculated through addition of those two.

E = E1 + E2 = 7.1192 kN.

If i imagine a straight line going through those two charges,where the positice charge is on the left side and the negative charge on the right,and want to find the point where the field is zero , its at the point where the two fields have the same value but opposite direction. E1 = -E2 .

Due to higher positive charge and lower negative i would say its on the right side of the negative charge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/155324944@N02/35098655526/in/dateposted-public/

k*q1 /r1^2 = k*q2 / r2^2

i divide it by k

q1 /r1^2=q2 / r2^2

r1^2 = (0.1m + r2 )^2

8*10^-9 C /(0.01 m^2 + 0.2m*r2 + r2^2) = -6*10^-9 C / r2^2

so I am coming to...

(8*10^-7 C/m^2) * r2^2 + 40 * 10^-9 C/m * r2 + 1 = - 6*10^-9 C

further i don't know how to calculate the r2 out of it...

is there an easier way to get the r2 or r1 ?

Kind regards

If ##l## is total distance between charges then ##r_1 + r_2 = l \implies r_1 = l - r_2##.

I don't think there is an easier way :(.
 
psy said:
r1^2 = (0.1m + r2 )^2
Typo.
psy said:
further i don't know how to calculate the r2 out of it...
It's just a quadratic equation; apply the usual formula.
 
r1 = 0.1m + r2

q1 / (0.1m + r2 )^2 = - q2 / r^2

q1/ (r2^2 + 0.2 * r2 + 0.01 m^2) = - q2 / r^2

8nC / r2^2 + 8nC / 0.2*r2 + 8nC/ 0.01 m^2 = 6nC / r^2 , multiplicating everything with r^2 gives

8nC + 40 nC * r2 + 8nC * r2^2 / (0.01 m^2) - 6 nC = 0 ,

rearranged

8nC * r2^2 / (0.01 m^2) + 40 nC * r2 + 8nC - 6 nC = 0

8*10^-7 C * r^2 + 4*10^-8 C/m * r2 + 2*10^-9 C = 0

further I am having Problems with the quadratic equation, because i Need to square root a negative number

r(1&2) = ( (-4*10^-8 +- sqrt(16*10^-16 - 64*10^-16) ) / 16*10^-7

checked it multiple times, still can't where the Errors are...
 
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psy said:
q1/ (r2^2 + 0.2 * r2 + 0.01 m^2) = - q2 / r^2
8nC / r2^2 + 8nC / 0.2*r2 + 8nC/ 0.01 m^2 = 6nC / r^2

It's not easy reading your equations with the units included (but not consistently). Anyhow, are you using an identity like this

a/(b +c +d) = a/b + a/c + a/d ?

That is not correct. You can't separate it out into three terms like that. Example:

20 / (2 + 3 + 15) = 20 / 20 = 1

That is not equal to

20/2 + 20/3 + 20/15 = 18
 
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