Calculation of the velocity of a Spaceship moving Relativistically

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The discussion revolves around a relativistic physics problem involving a spaceship traveling from Earth to Alpha Centauri, a distance of 4.3 light years. The problem states that the time experienced onboard the spaceship is 4.e years, and it involves calculating the spaceship's speed as well as the speed of protons ejected from the ship, which travel at c/2 relative to the ship.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of Lorentz transformations and question the meaning of the time notation "4.e." There are attempts to set up equations based on the problem's parameters, with some participants expressing uncertainty about how to proceed without additional known variables.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into using Lorentz transformations directly, suggesting a more straightforward approach to the problem. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the time notation, which has been clarified. The discussion appears to be moving towards a more structured approach to the problem, although no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of relativistic effects, including time dilation and length contraction, while also addressing potential typographical errors in the problem statement. The original poster's assumption about the impossibility of solving the problem without additional information is noted.

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Homework Statement



A spaceship travel from Earth \alpha-Centauri (4.3 light years away) at a constant velocity. If the time elapsed onboard during the journey is 4.e years, what is the speed of the spaceship?

The spaceship is powered by a drive which works by ejecting protons behind the ship at a velocity relative to the ship of c/2. At what velocity would a person on Earth observer the protons to be travelling, just as the spaceship reached constant velocity as it passed Earth on its way to \alpha-Centauri

Homework Equations



\gamma=(1-\beta^2)^{-1/2}
\beta = \frac{v}{c}
x'=\gamma(x-vt)
t'=\gamma(t-\frac{x \times v^2}{c^2})

The Attempt at a Solution


x'=\gamma(4.3-vt)
4.3=\gamma(t-\frac{x \times v^2}{c^2})

Well essentially I couldn't see any way to cancel things with simultaneous equations, and without one other variable known I assumed it to be impossible, unless they want the answer to be in terms of something. Is this correct? Any help, even a hint in the right direction would be much appreciated. :)

Thanks in advance,
Owen.
 
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Any way to fix the typo in the title? :S
 
Owen- said:

Homework Statement



A spaceship travel from Earth \alpha-Centauri (4.3 light years away) at a constant velocity. If the time elapsed onboard during the journey is 4.e years, what is the speed of the spaceship?
What does 4.e mean?

The spaceship is powered by a drive which works by ejecting protons behind the ship at a velocity relative to the ship of c/2. At what velocity would a person on Earth observer the protons to be travelling, just as the spaceship reached constant velocity as it passed Earth on its way to \alpha-Centauri

Homework Equations



\gamma=(1-\beta^2)^{-1/2}
\beta = \frac{v}{c}
x'=\gamma(x-vt)
t'=\gamma(t-\frac{x \times v^2}{c^2})

The Attempt at a Solution


x'=\gamma(4.3-vt)
4.3=\gamma(t-\frac{x \times v^2}{c^2})

Well essentially I couldn't see any way to cancel things with simultaneous equations, and without one other variable known I assumed it to be impossible, unless they want the answer to be in terms of something. Is this correct? Any help, even a hint in the right direction would be much appreciated. :)

Owen- said:
Any way to fix the typo in the title? :S
What typo?
 
You can do this problem using length contraction and time dilation, but the simplest and most foolproof method of doing it is to apply the LT directly.
Let S (coordinates x,t) represent the rest frame of the Earth and α-centauri, and let S' (coordinates x',t') represent the rest frame of the spaceship. There are two events that are relevant:
I. Spaceship leaves earth
II. Spaceship arrives at α-centauri.

The coordinates in the S and S' frames of reference for the two events are as follows:

I. x = 0, t = 0, x' = 0, t' = 0

II. x = 4.3c, t = ?, x' = 0, t' = 4.

where x' = 0 corresponds to the location of the spaceship in its own rest frame of reference. For this problem, it is more convenient to work with the inverse LT:
x=\gamma (x'+vt')
t=\gamma (t'+\frac{vx'}{c^2})

You can use the first of these equations to solve part 1 for the velocity of the spaceship by substituting in the parameters for event 2 (event 1 already satisfies these equations identically).
 
What does 4.e mean?
sorry it should read 4.3. That might have caused some confusion.

What typo?
I'm just being stupid, there is none - Relativistically looked incorrect to me on 2nd glance :P

Chestermiller, thanks! I think I can do this now, wasn't considering needing the LT at the two distinct points - its a lot easier now that I'm looking at it properly! :)
 

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