Calculation of work (P.dV) in an isothermal system

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The discussion centers on the calculation of work done by an ideal gas in an isothermal process, specifically questioning how pressure (P) can be treated as constant over an infinitesimal displacement (dx) when both pressure and volume are functions of position (x). The user presents the relationship P(x)V(x) = constant and differentiates it to derive a new relationship, suggesting that this might be a more accurate approach than treating P as constant. They seek a rigorous mathematical explanation for why P can be considered constant in the context of calculus, despite being a function of x. The inquiry highlights the tension between practical application in physics and the nuances of calculus. A clear understanding of the assumptions in thermodynamic calculations is essential for accurate problem-solving.
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Here's the textbook way of calculating the work done by an ideal gas in an isothermal case.

PV=nRT
P.dV=(nRT/V).dV
∴ ∫P.dV=nRT∫dV/V
→ W2-W1=nRT*ln(V2/V1)

My question.
Consider a cylindrical (or of any other shape) container of surface area A and a frictionless movable piston attached.
Let the coordinate x run along the length of this container, with origin at the bottom of the container.
Let the piston be at some x at some point of time.

At this x, P.V= constant = nRT
This holds for all x.
Now since V(x)=A.x
P(x)=constant/A.x=K/x ... for some contant k (=nRT/A)

Now P and V are both functions of x.
While calculating the infinitesimal work P.dV, how can we treat P(x) constant over the range dx?

Instead, since P(x)V(x)=constant
differentiating both sides, d[P(x)V(x)]=0
→ V(x).dP + P(x).dV=0
∴ P(x).dV= -V(x).dP

Shouldn't this relation hold?

I ask this because I was solving a similar problem, although which wasn't isothermal, involved P and V that depended on x and the approach used there was the second one.
 
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The relationship holds and if you integrate -VdP instead of pdV you get the same result, don't you?
I am not sure what is the question...
 
Usually, in calculus, functions of x are taken as being constant along any differential displacement dx.
 
DaTario said:
Usually, in calculus, functions of x are taken as being constant along any differential displacement dx.

Any rigorous mathematical explanation you could point me to? I know that if dx is infinitesimally small, f(x) will not change much in dx, but it will change neverthless. So i am looking for a rigorous mathematical explanation of why we can treat it as constant.
 
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