Calculus BC: Rectangle inside an ellipse

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the area of the largest rectangle that can be inscribed in the ellipse defined by the equation 4x² + 9y² = 36. The problem is situated within the context of calculus, specifically optimization and the application of derivatives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the area formula A = 2x2y and consider rewriting it as A = 4xy. There is an exploration of how to eliminate one variable using the ellipse equation. Questions arise about the validity of derived expressions and the implications of taking derivatives.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with multiple participants sharing their attempts and questioning the correctness of their calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the elimination of variables and the importance of checking work for errors. There is no explicit consensus on the final answer, as participants continue to explore different aspects of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants express frustration over not arriving at the expected multiple-choice answers and indicate that they have made several attempts at solving the problem. There is mention of specific values for x and y that have been derived, but uncertainty remains about their correctness.

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Homework Statement


What is thea are of the largest rectangle that can be inscribed in the ellipse 4x^2 +9y^2 = 36
A) 6 rad 2 B) 12 C)24 D) 24 rad 2 E) 36


Homework Equations


Must be done using optimization and first derivative


The Attempt at a Solution


I know I have to use A= 2x2y
But i don't know how to remove one of the variables ..
 
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yeahyeah<3 said:
I know I have to use A= 2x2y

How about writing it as 4xy?

But i don't know how to remove one of the variables ..

Well, what equation do x and y satisfy if the corners of the rectangle are all points on the ellipse?
 
Tom Mattson said:
How about writing it as 4xy?



Well, what equation do x and y satisfy if the corners of the rectangle are all points on the ellipse?

x = radical ((36-9y^2)/4)
but I'm not sure how that helps me.
even when i plug that back in and take the derivitve, my answer isn't one of the multiple choice answers.

thank you for the fast reply though :)
 
yeahyeah<3 said:
x = radical ((36-9y^2)/4)
but I'm not sure how that helps me.

It helps you because it eliminates one of the variables.

even when i plug that back in and take the derivitve, my answer isn't one of the multiple choice answers.

Taking the derivative is only one step.

Please post what you've done so far. That's the best way to see if you're making a mistake.
 
Tom Mattson said:
It helps you because it eliminates one of the variables.
Taking the derivative is only one step.

Please post what you've done so far. That's the best way to see if you're making a mistake.
A= 4xy
A= 4 y (radical ((36-9y^2)/4))
A'(y) = 6 radical 16-x^2 - (6x^2/radical 16-x^2) = 0
when y = 2Rad2

plug that back in : x = (radical ((36-9y^2)/4)) = 3rad2

4(2rad2)(3rad2) = 48

=/
 
yeahyeah<3 said:
A= 4xy
A= 4 y (radical ((36-9y^2)/4))

OK

A'(y) = 6 radical 16-x^2 - (6x^2/radical 16-x^2) = 0
when y = 2Rad2

Where does \sqrt{16-x^2} come from?
 
Tom Mattson said:
OK



Where does \sqrt{16-x^2} come from?

the derivative of A(x)?
it might be rad 4-x^2 instead... but regardless my answer still isn't there.
 
yeahyeah<3 said:
the derivative of A(x)?
it might be rad 4-x^2 instead...

Don't you think it makes a difference?? :eek:

but regardless my answer still isn't there.

Yes it is. You need to correct that error and proceed from there. Please try it and if you get stuck, post your work. That's the only way I can spot a mistake.
 
Tom, can you just please tell me if the answer is 12.

I've done this problem at least 7 times, possibly 8.
I have quite a few pages of work (with crossouts of course)

I got y to be rad 2 and x to be rad 9/2

so A = 4 xy
A= 12?
 
  • #10
12 is what I got.
 
  • #11
yay, thank you so much =]

would you like to give me a hint on another problem?

If f is the continuous strictly increasing function on the interval a is less than or equal to x and x is less than or equal to b, which of the following must be true.

I. integral from a to b f(x) dx < f(b) (b-a)
II. integral from a to b f(x) dx > f(a) (b-a)
III. integral from a to b f(x) dx = f(c) (b-a) for some number of c such that a<c<b

I have no idea where to start and any hint would be wonderful.
 
  • #12
This problem is meant to direct your attention to the Mean Value Theorem for integrals.
 

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