CALCULUS, EXTREME VALUES of function on interval and where they occur

Click For Summary
The discussion revolves around finding extreme values of functions within specified intervals. For the function y=cos(x-(pi/4)) on the interval [0, 7pi/4], the maximum occurs at x=pi/4 with a value of 1, and the minimum at x=5pi/4 with a value of -1. The second function, y=4x/(x^2+1), requires the quotient rule for differentiation, and critical points are found at x=1 and x=-1, not at x=0, which is not a critical point. Participants clarify misunderstandings about evaluating function values and derivatives, leading to a better grasp of calculus concepts. Overall, the thread emphasizes the importance of correct differentiation techniques and understanding critical points in determining extreme values.
golf747
Messages
5
Reaction score
0
CALCULUS, EXTREME VALUES of function on interval and where they occur!

find the extreme value of function on the interval and where they occur.
Please Help, teacher did during class but didnt get explanation.

1. y=cos(x-(pi/4)) , at the interval of [0,7pi/4]
My attempt: y'= -sin (x-(pi/4))
y= pi/4, 5pi/4

f(0)= -1/sqrt(2) f(7pi/4)= 0 f(pi/4)= 0 f(5pi/4)=-1
Max of 1 @ x=pi/4
Min of -1 at x=5pi/4
teacher said f(0) was wrong i don't know why

2. y= 4x/(x^2+1)
My attempt: y'= -4x/(x^2+1)^2
f(0)=0
Max of 0 at x=0
dont know why i got that wrong

tnx a lot
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org


For f(0) it's -sin(-pi/4) = - (-sqrt2 / 2) = sqrt2 / 2 = 1/sqrt2
Could you show your work for how you got f'(x) for #2?
 


murmillo said:
For f(0) it's -sin(-pi/4) = - (-sqrt2 / 2) = sqrt2 / 2 = 1/sqrt2
Could you show your work for how you got f'(x) for #2?

For f(0) the negitive of sin is later added onto -1/sqrt(2) right? making it positive? ok i see what i did.
y= 4x(x^2+1)^-1
y'=-4x(x^2+1)^-2

oh ... shoot i was supposed to use quotient rule right?

thanks a lot i kind of get calculus a little bit more
 
Last edited:


For #1, when you say f(0), you mean f(0)=cos(0-(pi/4))? Or f'(0)?

For #2, you're supposed to use the quotient rule.
 


yes, i mean the cos one not f'(0)
when you are looking for critical points you plug in 0 of f(0) into the original/position equation right? i think i did that right just forgot about the pos/neg stuff
 


golf747 said:
find the extreme value of function on the interval and where they occur.
Please Help, teacher did during class but didnt get explanation.

1. y=cos(x-(pi/4)) , at the interval of [0,7pi/4]
My attempt: y'= -sin (x-(pi/4))
y= pi/4, 5pi/4
You mean x, not y.

f(0)= -1/sqrt(2) f(7pi/4)= 0 f(pi/4)= 0 f(5pi/4)=-1
Max of 1 @ x=pi/4
Min of -1 at x=5pi/4
teacher said f(0) was wrong i don't know why
f(0)= cos(-pi/4)= cos(pi/4)= 1/sqrt(2). Cosine is an even function.

2. y= 4x/(x^2+1)
My attempt: y'= -4x/(x^2+1)^2
f(0)=0
Max of 0 at x=0
dont know why i got that wrong

tnx a lot
What interval was this on? The entire real line? A continuous function does not necessarily have a max or min on such an interval. Here, it should be clear that y is positive for positive x so 0 cannot be a maximum. In any case, you have the derivative wrong. Try it again.
 


ok. i think i got #2 down.

2. y'= 4(x^2+1) - 4x(x)
________________
(x^2+1)^2

= 4x^2+4-8x^2
_______________
(x^2+1)^2

0 is only critical pt?
f(0) = 0

sine chart for 0
-2 = neg and 2 = neg so... no extreme values??
 
Last edited:


golf747 said:
ok. i think i got #2 down.

2. y'= 4(x^2+1) - 4x(x)
________________
(x^2+1)^2

= 4x^2+4-8x^2
_______________
(x^2+1)^2

0 is only critical pt?
f(0) = 0

sine chart for 0
-2 = neg and 2 = neg so... no extreme values??

Am i correct?? did i perform the steps right? Thanks
 


How is it that x = 0 is a critical point?

The derivative looks OK now.
 
  • #10


golf747 said:
ok. i think i got #2 down.

2. y'= 4(x^2+1) - 4x(x)
________________
(x^2+1)^2

= 4x^2+4-8x^2
_______________
(x^2+1)^2

0 is only critical pt?
f(0) = 0
No, 0 is not a critical point. f'(0) exists and is not 0. The numerator of the derivative is 4- 4x^2 which is 0 at x= 1 and x= -1. The denominator is never 0.


sine chart for 0
-2 = neg and 2 = neg so... no extreme values??
You mean "sign", not "sine".
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 40 ·
2
Replies
40
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K