Calculus of Var, Euclidean geodesic

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the geodesic in Euclidean polar coordinates, specifically using the metric ds² = dr² + r² dθ². Participants are examining the application of the Euler-Lagrange equation in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the reduction of the Euler-Lagrange equation to a specific form and express concerns about the nature of the resulting differential equation. There is questioning about the solvability of the equation and whether it has been set up correctly. Some participants suggest that the problem may not be straightforward and that numerical methods might be necessary.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and the implications of the derived equations. There is a mix of confidence and uncertainty regarding the correctness of the differential equation and the methods applied. Some guidance has been offered regarding the potential complexity of solving the equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may involve assumptions about the nature of straight lines in polar coordinates and the challenges that arise from this representation. There is also mention of the potential need for numerical analysis in solving the equations.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the geodesic for euclidean polar coordinates given ds[itex]^{2}[/itex]=dr[itex]^{2}[/itex]+r[itex]^{2}[/itex]dθ[itex]^{2}[/itex]


Homework Equations


standard euler-lagrange equation

The Attempt at a Solution


I was able to reduce the euler-lagrange equation to [itex]\frac{d^{2}r}{dθ^{2}}[/itex]-rλ=0 where λ=[itex]\sqrt{(\frac{dr}{dθ})^{2}+r^{2}}[/itex] is the Lagrangian itself (namely the linear element)

My main concern is that I have the correct differential equation, I'm curious because I can't possibly imagine how this author expects me to solve that if it is indeed the correct DE for the lagrangian.
 
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Were you asked to solve it? Most geodesic equations cannot be solved analytically and require numerical analysis.
 
I would think it would be easy to solve because it is obviously a straight line, that's why I think I have done something wrong to get this non-linear second order DE.
 
I do not necessarily think it would be easy. Given an arbitrary straight line that does not cross through the origin, how would you write this in polar coordinates? It is actually a very difficult thing to do.
 
so does that mean I have the correct DE? I'm not too worried about actually solving it, just that I have the right one and applied the E-L equations correctly to this problem
 
I haven't had to do this stuff in a long time, but I computed my geodesic equations to be

[tex]\frac{d^2 r}{dt^2} - r \left( \frac{d\theta}{dt}\right)^2 = 0, \qquad r^2 \frac{d^2 \theta}{dt^2} + 2r \frac{dr}{dt} \frac{d\theta}{dt} = 0[/tex]
 

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