Double Integral in polar coordinates

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The problem involves evaluating a double integral of the function (3x + 4y²) over a specified region D in polar coordinates, where D is defined by the conditions y ≥ 0 and 1 ≤ x² + y² ≤ 4. The discussion centers around understanding the geometric representation of the region D and the conversion of the integral into polar coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conversion of the integral into polar coordinates and the limits of integration for both r and θ. There is uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the region D and its graphical representation, particularly regarding the circles defined by the equations x² + y² = 1 and x² + y² = 4.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the setup of the integral and questioning the assumptions related to the region D. Some have clarified the limits for r and θ based on the conditions given, while others are still grappling with the interpretation of the region and the implications of the constraints.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on ensuring the correct interpretation of the region D, with discussions about the graphical representation and the implications of the conditions y ≥ 0 and the inequalities involving x² + y². Participants are considering the geometric shapes involved and how they relate to the limits of integration.

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Homework Statement


Evaluate ∫∫D (3x + 4y 2 ) dA, where D = {(x, y) : y ≥ 0, 1 ≤ x 2 + y 2 ≤ 4} with the use of polar coordinates.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I made a sketch of the circle. It's radius is = 1 and it's lowest point is at (0,0), highest at (0,2), leftmost point at (-1,1) and rightmost point at (1,1).

Converting this integral into polar coordinates:
∫∫D (3rcosθ+4(rsinθ)2) r dr dθ

then distributing the r

∫∫D (3r2cosθ+4r(rsinθ)2) dr dθ

The outside integral goes from 0≤θ≤2π
I'm not totally sure with the inside integral though.
0≤r≤1? Because the maximum that the radius is is 1?

I haven't evaluated it yet. I want to make sure I've set it up correctly first. :)
 
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Homework Statement


Evaluate ∫∫D (3x + 4y 2 ) dA, where D = {(x, y) : y ≥ 0, 1 ≤ x 2 + y 2 ≤ 4} with the use of polar coordinates.

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


I made a sketch of the circle. It's radius is = 1 and it's lowest point is at (0,0), highest at (0,2), leftmost point at (-1,1) and rightmost point at (1,1).

Converting this integral into polar coordinates:
∫∫D (3rcosθ+4(rsinθ)2) r dr dθ

then distributing the r

∫∫D (3r2cosθ+4r(rsinθ)2) dr dθ

The outside integral goes from 0≤θ≤2π
I'm not totally sure with the inside integral though.
0≤r≤1? Because the maximum that the radius is is 1?

I haven't evaluated it yet. I want to make sure I've set it up correctly first. :)

Have you drawn a picture of the full region yet? Isn't there more than one circle? What does the region ##D## look like?
 
Sorry, I just realized there are a few formatting errors in my original post.

Evaluate ∫∫D (3x + 4y2 ) dA, where D = {(x, y) : y ≥ 0, 1 ≤ x2 + y2 ≤ 4} with the use of polar coordinates.

I only got one circle. But I've seen that I've made a mistake. I'm having a lot of trouble interpreting what D means and plotting the graph. :/

I take D to mean that y is always greater than or equal to 0, so the region isn't below 0, and that x2 + y2 is between 1 and 4. But with this interpretation I get a 4 triangles, which doesn't seem right...
 
Can you sketch x2+y2=1? what curve is it? And what is x2+y2=4?
 
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Can you sketch x2+y2=1? what curve is it? And what is x2+y2=4?

I can sketch both, I don't understand what you mean by 'what curve is it?' It's a circle, but D states that y has to be equal to or greater than 0, and that x2+y2 is between 1 and 4.
 
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I can sketch both, I don't understand what you mean by 'what curve is it?' It's a circle, but D states that y has to be equal to or greater than 0, and that x2+y2 is between 1 and 4.
Both are circles. What are the centres and the radii?
 
The radius of x2+y2=1 is 1, and for the other the radius = 2.

So the upper limit is 2 and the lower limit is 1. I should get two circles with this D?
 
Ok, I understand. d is saying:

x2 + y2 =1
x2 + y2 =4

Then the upper limit of the radius = 2 and lower limit = 1
 
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The radius of x2+y2=1 is 1, and for the other the radius = 2.

So the upper limit is 2 and the lower limit is 1. I should get two circles with this D?
The limits for what?
D is two-dimensional, you have an other variable, the angle θ. What are the limits for it?
Have yo sketched those circles?
 
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The limit of integration.
For the angle θ, because y ≥ 0, the limit of integration is between 0≤θ≤π
 
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The limit of integration.
For the angle θ, because y ≥ 0, the limit of integration is between 0≤θ≤π
Correct. So the blue region is D.
Convert x, y into polar coordinates.
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  • #12
3x + 4y2
∫∫(3rcosθ+4(rsinθ)2) r dr dθ
distribute the r
∫∫(3r2cosθ+4r(rsinθ)2) dr dθ
 
  • #13
Correct, go ahead. You want to integrate with respect to r first, what do you get?
 

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