Can 4 Momentum be an Operator?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of 4-momentum in the context of quantum mechanics, specifically whether it can be considered an operator due to its vector nature. Participants explore the implications of 4-momentum as a vector and its representation in both non-relativistic and relativistic quantum mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the vector nature of 4-momentum implies it can be considered an operator.
  • Another participant explains that in non-relativistic quantum mechanics, both vector and scalar quantities have corresponding operators, suggesting a similar approach in relativistic quantum mechanics.
  • A third participant raises a concern about the terminology of "scalar," noting that it typically refers to invariant quantities in a relativistic context.
  • Further clarification is provided that the term "scalar" was used in a non-relativistic context, where energy is treated as a scalar, leading to a mix of contexts.
  • One participant identifies two interpretations of the original question regarding the relationship between the vector nature of 4-momentum and its status as an operator, emphasizing the importance of clarity in phrasing questions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of 4-momentum being a vector and whether this affects its classification as an operator. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple interpretations presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in terminology and the importance of context when discussing concepts in quantum mechanics, particularly when mixing relativistic and non-relativistic frameworks.

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can the 4 momentum (since it is a vector) be considered an operator?
 
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Please explain your question. Why do you think there might be a connection with it being a vector? In non-relativistic QM, there are operators for both vector quantities (e.g. momentum and position) and scalar quantities (e.g. energy). In relativistic QM, it's similar, except that now we talk about four-vectors instead of three-vectors.
 
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jtbell said:
... scalar quantities (e.g. energy)...

I'm usually not fanatic about precise meaning of terminology, but isn't the term "scalar" fixed to mean invariant quantities quite unanimously?
 
In a relativistic context, yes. I was thinking of the non-relativistic context in which energy is a scalar, and thereby mixing relativistic and non-relativistic contexts. Oops.

(and of course the 4-vector momentum operator in effect includes energy as the zero-th component)
 
captain said:
can the 4 momentum (since it is a vector) be considered an operator?

Yes, the 4-vector of energy-momentum has components [itex]H, P_x, P_y, P_z[/itex]. In quantum mechanics they are represented by operators of energy (or Hamiltonian) H and momentum [itex]\mathbf{P}[/itex].
 
captain said:
can the 4 momentum (since it is a vector) be considered an operator?

I now realize that there are two interpretations of your question:

(a) Can the 4-momentum be considered an operator because it is a vector? That is, does its being a vector imply that it is also an operator?

or

(b) Can the 4-momentum be considered an operator even though it is a vector? That is, does its being a vector prevent it from also being an operator?

This kind of ambiguity is why it's important not to be too terse in your questions. It's especially important if English is not your native language, because it's difficult even for native speakers to be both terse and precise at the same time! :frown:
 

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