Can a Carbon Dioxide Vent on a Mars Rover Solve Dust Buildup on Solar Panels?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the potential for a carbon dioxide vent on a Mars rover to address the issue of dust accumulation on solar panels. Participants explore various mechanisms for dust removal, including the feasibility and implications of such a system, as well as alternative approaches to maintaining solar panel efficiency on Mars.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that dust accumulation on solar panels is a significant issue, referencing the term 'cleaning event' related to Martian winds.
  • There is a proposal for a small carbon-dioxide vent on the rover's robotic arm to help clear dust, though the exact function of the vent is questioned by others.
  • One participant suggests using a mechanical fan to blow Martian atmosphere at an angle to remove dust without disturbing surface dust.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of such a fan due to the low density of Martian air, suggesting that a high-performance device would be necessary.
  • Another idea involves pressurizing gas in a small bottle to release it for dust removal, with questions about the time efficiency and weight implications of this method.
  • Some participants argue that the added weight and complexity of a dust removal system may not be justified compared to simply adding more solar panels for reliability.
  • There is speculation that a dust removal system could be designed to weigh under 500 grams, but it is noted that such systems may have been considered and rejected in past rover designs.
  • References are made to the engineering considerations for solar panel cleaning in the context of previous Mars missions, particularly regarding the choice of power systems for the Curiosity rover.
  • A creative suggestion is made to integrate solar panels onto rotor blades to keep them clean from Martian dust.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and practicality of using a carbon dioxide vent or other mechanisms for dust removal, indicating that multiple competing ideas remain without consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of various proposed methods, including the dependence on Martian atmospheric conditions and the unresolved implications of weight and complexity for rover design.

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i'v googled the subject and it seems like a serious problem, e.g. the dust accumulating on the solar panels, there has even been a term coined 'cleaning event' for Mars winds, as if this is a matter of luck to get the solar panels cleaned. A small carbon-dioxide vent on the tip of the rover robotic arm? da? Would it be such a weight increase, for resolving such a dramatic problem? OK, these are much smarter people than me..what am i missing?
 
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A small carbon-dioxide vent on the tip of the rover robotic arm
What's the vent supposed to be doing, exactly?
 
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Do you mean to say 'a mechanical fan pushing Martian atmosphere around to blow off the dust'?
 
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Yes, fan carried by the rover's robotic arm, pushing atmosphere selectively at an angle and force that takes the dust off the panels, without hitting the surface dust.
 
Then consider the availability of the working medium for the fan. The density of air is 1/60 of that on Earth. You'd need some really high-performance (large and heavy + energy consuming) device to have any hope of blowing anything off the panels.
 
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Pressurizing into a small bottle and then releasing? Maybe a slower process than using Earth air, but still hours if not minutes duration, not so? Would it add so much to the overall weight, if compression will be used and not a fan?
 
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In the case of a pressurised supply of gas (or e.g. mechanical wipers), my guess would be it just doesn't warrant the extra weight and complexity, where you can instead just add some extra panels for the same weight, and get a similar, but more reliable (due to simplicity), power performance extension.
 
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Yes, although i speculate that such a system could be developed to weight under 500 grams and would not be the most complex system on board such a rover, which weighs 180 kg in the case of Opportunity and 900 kg for the Curiosity. It is most likely that such a system and many other alternatives for cleaning the solar panels, were considered and rejected for the Opportunity.
Apparently the dust problem was among the reasons they did not use solar panels, on board the Curiosity (not even as a backup system?): https://www.technologyreview.com/s/428751/nuclear-generator-powers-curiosity-mars-mission/
 
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I've heard they went over the engineering process for MER in Roving Mars (the book), including considerations of panel cleaning. It might be of interest to you.
 
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Thanks, i'll look into it.
 
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Nice idea.
 
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