Can a change in units cancel out G/4π2 in Kepler's third law?

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The discussion centers on the application of Kepler's third law in different units, specifically how using years, solar masses, and astronomical units can simplify the equation by canceling out G/4π². Participants emphasize the importance of substituting the correct units to understand the simplification, noting that applying the formula to the Earth's orbit illustrates this cancellation. A secondary topic arises regarding a binary star system problem, where confusion about the separation in astronomical units leads to further inquiries about the relationship between parallax and distance. Clarification on the definition of a parsec and its connection to astronomical units is provided, highlighting the significance of understanding these unit conversions. Overall, the discussion underscores the necessity of grasping unit definitions and conversions in astrophysics calculations.
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For two two bodies of mass M1 and M2 in circular orbits of radius a1, a2 about their common centre of mass, the Newtonian modification of Kepler's third law is
a3/P2=G(M1+M2)/4π2.
Where a=a1+a2.

The problem is that I have been told that when using the units of years, solar masses and astronomical units, this reduces to
a3/P2=M1+M2.
I'm not sure how to show this is true, and find it quite strange that such a unit change could manage to perfectly cancel out G/4π2. The internet and textbooks don't seem to be very helpful about this so I was hoping somebody could point me in the right way, thanks!
 
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Well, these types of problems don't solve themselves. Have you tried plugging in the different units to see if you obtain the supposed simplification?
 
Try applying your formula for the Earth's orbit and you will understand that miraculous cancelation
 
dauto said:
Try applying your formula for the Earth's orbit and you will understand that miraculous cancelation

Oh wow, so simple (and slightly obvious). Thanks!

As it happens I'm having more astrophysics unit problems which I was hoping somebody could help with, which appear in the following problem:
Two stars in a binary system have a separation of s=3'' and a trigonometric parallax of p=0.1''. They have a orbital period of 30 years and the secondary star is five times further from the centre of mass than the primary star. Find the star masses for an inclination of zero degrees (face on orbit).

m1r1=m2r2 gives m1=5m2.
The distance to the system in parsecs is one over the parallax i.e 1/p=10. The solution then states that the separation in AU a=s/p=30, which I don't understand.
Kepler's third law then gives the solution.

1/p is in parsecs and then s is in arcseconds, so a has units arcseconds per parsec. I can't see how that can be AU...
 
physiks said:
Oh wow, so simple (and slightly obvious). Thanks!

As it happens I'm having more astrophysics unit problems which I was hoping somebody could help with, which appear in the following problem:
Two stars in a binary system have a separation of s=3'' and a trigonometric parallax of p=0.1''. They have a orbital period of 30 years and the secondary star is five times further from the centre of mass than the primary star. Find the star masses for an inclination of zero degrees (face on orbit).

m1r1=m2r2 gives m1=5m2.
The distance to the system in parsecs is one over the parallax i.e 1/p=10. The solution then states that the separation in AU a=s/p=30, which I don't understand.
Kepler's third law then gives the solution.

1/p is in parsecs and then s is in arcseconds, so a has units arcseconds per parsec. I can't see how that can be AU...

You need to refresh yourself on the definition of the parsec unit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsec
 
SteamKing said:
You need to refresh yourself on the definition of the parsec unit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsec

Defined as the parallax of one arcsecond? There doesn't seem to be anything there that relates it to astronomical units as there seems to be above...

Edit: Parallax of one arcsecond when the baseline is 1AU! That might help, I'll get back to you if I still have any issues, thanks!
 
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