Can a defective DRC on a heat pump cause the fan motor to go bad?

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A defective Dual Run Capacitor (DRC) can indeed cause a PSC outdoor fan motor to fail. In this discussion, the user identified that their DRC had a capacitance of only 0.743 microfarads, significantly below the required value, which led to the fan motor drawing excessive current and ultimately failing. The resistance readings indicated a defective fan motor, confirming that the insufficient capacitance from the DRC prevented the motor from starting properly, leading to overheating and insulation failure. The consensus among participants is that the failure of the DRC directly contributed to the motor's demise.

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  • Understanding of PSC (Permanent Split Capacitor) motors
  • Knowledge of Dual Run Capacitor (DRC) specifications and functions
  • Familiarity with electrical resistance and capacitance measurements
  • Basic HVAC troubleshooting techniques
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This discussion is beneficial for HVAC technicians, electrical engineers, and anyone involved in the maintenance and repair of heat pump systems, particularly those working with PSC motors and capacitors.

  • #31
Sneaky!
C= Capacitance
A= Amps
V= Volts
k= 2652

C= kA / V
C= k⋅(A/V) - - - (V/A)= R but it's a capacitor so (V/A)= Xc (capacitive reactance)
but it's not (V/A), it is (A/V) . so (A/V)≡ 1/Xc

C= k⋅(1/Xc)
Now (1/2652) = 0.000377
The formula @jim hardy gave for Xc has 377 in the denominator. Your formula has moved the reciprocal of 377 to the numerator, which has the same mathematical effect. The factor of 1 million difference between the two is because your formula gives the result directly in microfarads, whereas jims formula answers in farads.

Nice shortcut.

I see @Averagesupernova types faster than I do.

Cheers,
Tom
 
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  • #32
Aha !

2652 X 2π X 60 = almost a million

copying from Windows calculator
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X 2π X 60 = exactly a million

to get from farads to microfarads

If i learn something every day i might know something someday !

old jim
 

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  • #33
fourthindiana said:
Capacitance (MFD)= (Start winding amps X 2652)/Volts from start to run

Tom.G said:
Nice shortcut.

Indeed !
So nice i just had to figure out how a way that i can remember it.
With my scattered brain i'll roll digits

so i wound up back at conductance, the old Mhos trick

##Ohms = \frac{1}{2πfC}##
so ##Mhos = 2πfC##
which means ##C = Mhos X \frac{1}{2πf}##
but that's in Farads
in Microfarads it's ##C = Mhos X \frac{1,000,000}{2πf}##

and since Mhos = Amps/Volts

##C= \frac{Amps}{Volts} X \frac{1.000.000}{2πf}##

and at 60hz, ##\frac{1.000.000}{2πf} = 2652.58...##

hence your ##C = \frac{Amps}{Volts} X 2652## , good to four digits which is probably better than the ammeter.

it's easier for me to just remember C = Mhos/2πf
and that's what i'll do

Thanks, Guys,
for showing this old dog a new trick !

old jim
 
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jim hardy said:
Thanks, Guys,
for showing this old dog a new trick !

old jim

You're welcome.
 

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