Can a discontinuous function have a uniformly convergent Fourier series?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of Fourier series, particularly whether a discontinuous function can have a uniformly convergent Fourier series. Participants explore the implications of uniform versus pointwise convergence and the conditions under which differentiation of Fourier series can be performed.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the formula for a Fourier series and questions the validity of differentiating it term by term.
  • Another participant suggests that differentiating term by term is not universally applicable to infinite series, implying a need for caution.
  • A different viewpoint asserts that if a sum of functions is uniformly convergent, term-by-term differentiation is permissible, but questions remain about the uniform convergence of Fourier series for discontinuous functions.
  • Some participants argue that Fourier series of discontinuous functions converge only pointwise, not uniformly, and highlight that the partial sums of such series are continuous.
  • It is noted that uniform convergence of differentiable functions does not guarantee the differentiability of the limit function unless the sequence of derivatives converges uniformly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the convergence properties of Fourier series for discontinuous functions, with some asserting pointwise convergence and others suggesting uniform convergence under certain conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the applicability of term-by-term differentiation for such series.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of convergence and the specific conditions under which differentiation of series is valid. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps necessary to clarify these conditions.

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Let's say I have Fourier series of some function, f(t), f(t)=\frac{a0}{2}+\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(an\cos{\frac{2n\pi t}{b-a}}+bn\sin{\frac{2n\pi t}{b-a}}), where a and b are lower and upper boundary of function, a0=\frac{2}{b-a}\int_{a}^{b}f(t)dt, an=\frac{2}{b-a}\int_{a}^{b}f(t)cos\frac{2n\pi t}{b-a}dt, bn=\frac{2}{b-a}\int_{a}^{b}f(t)sin\frac{2n\pi t}{b-a}dt. My question is, can I find derivative of Fourier series on this way:
\frac{d}{dt}\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(an\cos{\frac{2n\pi t}{b-a}}+bn\sin{\frac{2n\pi t}{b-a}})=\frac{d}{dt}(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}an\cos{\frac{2n\pi t}{b-a}}+\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}bn\sin{\frac{2n\pi t}{b-a}})=
 
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=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{d}{dt}(an\cos{\frac{2n\pi t}{b-a}})+\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{d}{dt}(bn\sin{\frac{2n\pi t}{b-a}})
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Are there some limitations when I can do this and when I can't do this?
PS. I had to write this in second message since for some reason my latex code can't fit in one message :)
 
I think I know what you meant - your equation is an identity (I don't think you meant it). I presume your question is can you differentiate term by term to get the derivative of a Fourier series. The answer is no different from the same question for any infinite series.

Google the question and you will get plenty of answers.
 
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As long as a sum of functions is uniformly convergent, then you can differentiate the sum "term by term". Fourier series (and Taylor's series) are always uniformly convergent.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Fourier series (and Taylor's series) are always uniformly convergent.

I think the Fourier series of a discontinuous function is only pointwise convergent, not uniformly convergent.
 
The_Duck said:
I think the Fourier series of a discontinuous function is only pointwise convergent, not uniformly convergent.
Indeed, the partial sums of a Fourier series are continuous, and the uniform limit of a sequence of continuous functions is continuous. So no discontinuous function can have a uniformly convergent Fourier series.

Moreover, uniform convergence of a sequence of differentiable functions ##f_n## to some function ##f## is not sufficient to ensure that ##f## is differentiable. If the sequence of derivatives ##f_n'## converges uniformly, then it is sufficient, and ##\lim f_n' = f'##.
 
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