Can a Laser Affect Water? Solutions Needed

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter benhall2121
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Lasers Water
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether a laser can affect water, particularly in terms of agitating hydrogen and oxygen molecules to promote their separation. Participants explore various methods, including lasers and electrolysis, and consider the efficiency and mechanisms involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if a laser can agitate water molecules enough to break them apart, seeking alternative suggestions.
  • Another asks about the wavelengths of light absorbed by water and which lasers produce those wavelengths.
  • It is proposed that using photons with energy higher than the binding energy of water molecules could cause temporary dissociation, but concerns are raised about the likelihood of recombination into water molecules.
  • Some participants discuss the efficiency of electrolysis compared to lasers, with one suggesting that electrolysis is inefficient.
  • A participant mentions that microwaves can heat water and suggests the possibility of using a maser to boil water from a distance.
  • There is a discussion about the existence of masers, with one participant noting that masers predate lasers and that early literature referred to lasers as "optical masers."
  • Another participant reiterates the absorption of infrared radiation by water and suggests that lasers may primarily heat water rather than effectively separate its molecules.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of lasers in achieving the desired molecular separation, with one participant suggesting that heating water before electrolysis might be a more effective approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of lasers versus electrolysis for separating water molecules. There is no consensus on whether lasers can achieve the desired molecular agitation or separation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about the energy levels involved in molecular dissociation and the efficiency of different methods, but these assumptions remain unresolved.

benhall2121
Messages
8
Reaction score
0
Is there a way to make a laser affect water and what would it do to it?

I am trying to figure out a way to aggitate the hydogen and oxygen molecules in water to make them want to break apart. Would a laser make a difference? Any other suggestions. Thank you all for your help in advance.
 
Science news on Phys.org
What wavelengths of light are absorbed by water? What lasers generate those wavelengths?
 
Well, if you use a photon energy higher than the binding energy of water molecules, you'll cause the component atoms to dissociate temporarily. However, the problem with that is that water molecules have the lowest energy of the hydrogen-oxygen compounds, which means that the dissociated atoms will probably recombine to form water molecules, and not a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen molecules. Presumably, if you could determine the difference between the energies of the water state and the hydrogen-oxygen mixture state, a photon at that energy would do the trick. However, this begs the question: what's wrong with just using electrolysis?
 
isn't electrolysis really inefficient

but then again, how efficiant would using lasers be v.s. electrolysis?
or is that irellavent to the purpose of your question/experiment?
--------------------------------------------
"that which does not kill me, postpones the inevidible" despair.com
 
Hey microwaves, as in A microwave in your kitchen, sure affect water; they heat it up. So I suppose you could build a maser (microwave laser) to boil water from a distance. Take THAT! Aquaman!
 
do they have "masers" in the world?
if not, it sounds like a pretty prophitable idea to me...
they managed to do it with light and sound.
WHY NOT MICROWAVES??!
 
Electrolysis isn't efficient, but neither are most laser systems. And to answer your question about masers, masers were actually around before lasers! In fact, if you look at some of the earlier literature about lasers, you'll find that they're referred to as "optical masers." :biggrin:
 
benhall2121 said:
Is there a way to make a laser affect water and what would it do to it?

I am trying to figure out a way to aggitate the hydogen and oxygen molecules in water to make them want to break apart. Would a laser make a difference? Any other suggestions. Thank you all for your help in advance.

i believe taking a glass of water and puting a 2 wires into it, each wire hooked into each charge of an alkaline battery, separates the water, but I'm not sure.

Lasers may work but it depends on the type of laser (and/or maser) ;]
 
From wikipedia:

Water strongly absorbs infrared radiation. As infrared radiation is next to red-colored light on the EM spectrum, a small amount of visible red light is absorbed as well.This results in pure water appearing slightly blue when seen in mass quantities such as a lake or ocean. The blue

Now then, what type of laser emits infrared? Think CO2..

I don't think a laser, however, will do what you need. It will simply heat up the water. Of course, this will encourage the separation of molecules to some extent. (maybe use hot water and then do electroylsis the conventional way would work just as well).

The reason a microwave heats water is because water is a dipole molecule - it has a slightly positive and negative charge on each end, and it will line itself up with a powerful electric field. But a laser will not really help in that area - remember, you are shooting photons at it, which the electrons will absorb and raise to higher energy states (I think I stated that correctly).

A laser could also vaporize water - however, water can absorb a tremendous amount of energy before vaporization.

-niko
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K