Can Antenna reduce the radio signal strength when it receive

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The discussion revolves around the effects of antennas on radio signal strength during reception. Participants explore whether antennas reduce the actual signal strength, the implications of multiple antennas, and the relationship between antenna configuration and signal reception in various environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether antennas reduce the actual radio signal strength or if the strength is primarily affected by dispersion loss and dielectric absorption.
  • One participant asserts that antennas do take energy from radio waves, but this energy extraction is minimal and does not significantly affect nearby receivers.
  • Another participant clarifies that the energy emitted by a transmitter is unaffected by how many antennas are used to receive it, unless near field effects are involved.
  • A participant raises a scenario involving satellite transmitters and dispersion loss, questioning if increasing the number of antennas necessitates an increase in transmitting power due to losses.
  • Concerns are expressed about whether increasing the number of antennas affects reception power, with one participant suggesting that it does not in a measurable way, although antenna arrangement can lead to shadowing effects.
  • Discussion includes the principle that rear antennas in a line may receive less signal due to being shadowed by front antennas, with an exception noted for certain propagation characteristics of medium frequency ground waves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether antennas reduce signal strength and how multiple antennas interact with signal reception. There is no consensus on the implications of antenna configuration on reception power or the necessity of increased transmitting power with more antennas.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors affecting signal strength, such as dispersion loss and near field effects, but these concepts remain unresolved in the context of the discussion.

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  • When antenna receive the radio signal does it reduce the actual radio signal strength or strength indeed depends on the dispersion loss and other dielectric absorption?
  • If antenna doesn’t reduce the radio signal strength(power), how it generates the current in the receiving antenna circuit? How antenna in this case is not affected by law of conservation - radio signal doesn’t loose its power even generating current in the antenna.
  • If antenna affects the signal strength of the radio signal, does more antenna means more power to transmit for transmitter?
 
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physicsEnthu_123 said:
  • When antenna receive the radio signal does it reduce the actual radio signal strength or strength indeed depends on the dispersion loss and other dielectric absorption?
Yes, when an antenna receives a radio signal it is taking energy away from the radiowave. For most practical systems this is a tiny amount of energy, though. When I tune my FM radio to a signal, it has no significant effect on the signal strength available to my next door neighbor.

physicsEnthu_123 said:
  • If antenna affects the signal strength of the radio signal, does more antenna means more power to transmit for transmitter?
I'm not sure what you are talking about here - I thought you were discussing a receive antenna. What transmitter are you referring to?

Jason
 
physicsEnthu_123 said:
does more antenna means more power to transmit for transmitter?

The energy has already been emitted so it is irrelevant to the transmitter if you collect that energy or it just continues on by. This will not be true if you are close enough for near field effects to come into play. Then you are affecting the characteristics of the transmitting antenna.

BoB
 
So if I have satellite transmitter and my transmitting power should cover only area depending upon the dispersion loss by inverse R^2. If i have increase number of antenna does my transmitting power needs to be increased since there are losses? In other scenario if I have a close room and I have a transmitter with a fixed power. If my number of antenna increase does the reception power decreases?
 
physicsEnthu_123 said:
If my number of antenna increase does the reception power decreases?

not in a measurable way ( well I would be surprised is it could be) ... there is still much more energy bypassing all those antennas (not being captured ) than what is captured.
Now if you have antennas in a line, that is different as the rear antenna will be in the shadow of the front antenna ( the one closer to the transmitter) and it will of course receive less signal

read again JasonRF's post and his first comment ... That is your answer
 
davenn said:
Now if you have antennas in a line, that is different as the rear antenna will be in the shadow of the front antenna ( the one closer to the transmitter) and it will of course receive less signal
That general principle certainly applies in most cases. There is an interesting exception to this principle, though. Medium Frequency (vertically polarised of course) ground waves will propagate along the ground and follow the curve of the Earth. The energy does not tend to carry out along a tangent but the wave front has a forward tilt, due to resistive losses in the Earth. Energy gets directed downwards, out of the region just above the surface. Cities, with lots of steel structures (and receiving antennae) have a definite shadow, downstream from a transmitter but the signal strength rises back up, after a few km to what you'd expect, if the city were not there.
This forward tilt of a VP wave can be used by long wire antennae, supported on a series of short poles, radially in the direction of travel of the wave. Google Beverage Antenna; an excellent, cheap and cheerful directional MF antenna (OK if you happen to have a few hundred metres of land available).
 
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