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Without using ' opposite charges of matter' explanation as a foundation for defining anti-matter, I wonder if anyone can present a more direct definition and examples.
Vorde said:What troubles you about that explanation?
mathman said:Be careful about using opposite charge. Neutrons and other neutral particles have anti-particles (anti-neutrons, etc.).
Bobbywhy said:goodoldrebel, here are three websites you may visit to read about what is anti-matter.
Included find direct definitions and examples in concrete terms.
http://www.lbl.gov/abc/Antimatter.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter
http://livefromcern.web.cern.ch/livefromcern/antimatter/
goodoldrebel said:very good sights, yet antimatter is still an elusive concept.
Nabeshin said:Here's my problem with what you're saying about why you don't like the 'opposite' definition of antimatter. If you imagine WE had instead been made of antimatter, then the other stuff would be antimatter and you would be complaining you cannot explain that! It's like trying to define what an electron is without saying "Mass 511KeV, spin 1/2 and charge -1". That's WHAT it is. Similarly, what any particular antiparticle is is simply a list of all such numbers, but with charge reversed. (Note: Someone already pointed to the neutron, which is not the same as its antiparticle. This is of course because the neutron is not a fundamental particle, but rather composed of three quarks.) At this point I think it degenerates into the same discussion that was had here about what an electron REALLY is, which I'm sure you can find.
I disagree, it ignores the theoretical construction that relates particles to each other. And saying the electron and the positron have the same mass, spin and opposite charge, does not tell you that upon contact they annihilate. So there is something more at work. A more illuminating answer might involve how theoretically antimatter can be deduced from matter, but I won't try to do that here as I'm not familiar enough with the material myself.Nabeshin said:Here's my problem with what you're saying about why you don't like the 'opposite' definition of antimatter. If you imagine WE had instead been made of antimatter, then the other stuff would be antimatter and you would be complaining you cannot explain that! It's like trying to define what an electron is without saying "Mass 511KeV, spin 1/2 and charge -1". That's WHAT it is. Similarly, what any particular antiparticle is is simply a list of all such numbers, but with charge reversed. (Note: Someone already pointed to the neutron, which is not the same as its antiparticle. This is of course because the neutron is not a fundamental particle, but rather composed of three quarks.) At this point I think it degenerates into the same discussion that was had here about what an electron REALLY is, which I'm sure you can find.
That would be a really good argument. Except, neutrinos are neutral, and neutrino and anti-neutrino are not the same particle. So even for elementary particles, simply saying that difference between particle and anti-particle is charge is false.Nabeshin said:Here's my problem with what you're saying about why you don't like the 'opposite' definition of antimatter. If you imagine WE had instead been made of antimatter, then the other stuff would be antimatter and you would be complaining you cannot explain that! It's like trying to define what an electron is without saying "Mass 511KeV, spin 1/2 and charge -1". That's WHAT it is. Similarly, what any particular antiparticle is is simply a list of all such numbers, but with charge reversed. (Note: Someone already pointed to the neutron, which is not the same as its antiparticle. This is of course because the neutron is not a fundamental particle, but rather composed of three quarks.) At this point I think it degenerates into the same discussion that was had here about what an electron REALLY is, which I'm sure you can find.
K^2 said:That would be a really good argument. Except, neutrinos are neutral, and neutrino and anti-neutrino are not the same particle. So even for elementary particles, simply saying that difference between particle and anti-particle is charge is false.
mr. vodka said:I disagree, it ignores the theoretical construction that relates particles to each other. And saying the electron and the positron have the same mass, spin and opposite charge, does not tell you that upon contact they annihilate. So there is something more at work. A more illuminating answer might involve how theoretically antimatter can be deduced from matter, but I won't try to do that here as I'm not familiar enough with the material myself.
Nabeshin said:I was under the impression the existence of majorana fermions was still an open question?
Yes, but neutrino being such is extremely unlikely. There should be some experiments in the near future to determine it with better certainty, but the standard model assumes them to be Dirac fermions, and there seem to be no contradictions due to that. There are a whole bunch of weak interactions and decays whose cross-sections would be off if neutrinos were their own anti-particles.Nabeshin said:I was under the impression the existence of majorana fermions was still an open question?