Can extremely charged objects simulate some black hole effects?

In summary, the conversation discusses the potential existence of an imaginary sphere around a highly charged point, the possibility of vacuum sparking and spontaneous positron emission, and the role of the weak nuclear force in the dominance of matter in the universe. This phenomenon has not been observed in experiments, but has been predicted by quantum field theory and may have been seen in high energy collisions involving heavy ions. The laws of QED do not preferentially favor matter over antimatter, and the weak nuclear force is currently hypothesized as the force responsible for the preponderance of matter in the universe.
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Edward Solomo
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If we had a positive point charge of incredible quantity, does there exist an imaginary sphere about it, such that regardless of the initial speed and direction of any electron, that electron could not escape spiraling into the positive point charge?

Conversely, regardless of the initial speed and direction of a proton (even if it's position starts from within the imaginary shell), it's path could never intersect with the position of the point charge?
 
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A highly charged sphere could in principle have "vacuum sparking" effects. The sphere can give off electrons or holes caused by the electric field near the surface pulling virtual positronium atoms apart. If the charge of the sphere was positive, for example, then sphere could give off positrons while becoming neutral. Virtual electrons would become real in the sphere, lowering the charge.
This would be somewhat analogous to the "Hawking hole". According to Hawking, a small black hole would evaporate due to quantum effects. The black hole would capture virtual particles in the vacuum, releasing their antiparticles in the "real" world.
 
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Has this ever been observed in experiments? I would imagine such an object would neutralize through the process you described in a mere fraction of a second.

Also, could this possibly be one reasons why the universe is dominated by matter instead of antimatter? I would imagine that the magnetic field at the instant of the Big Bang was rather --- intense.
 
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This is known as the Schwinger-pair creation mechanism and is a very ineteresting prediction of quantum field theory (here QED). So far, nobody has ever reached the very high electromagnetic fields necessary to demonstrate this experimentally, let alone in an electrostatic setting. As far as I know, laser physicists work on high-intensity lasers, with which one maybe able to demonstrate the effect. The original Schwinger paper is

J. Schwinger, On gauge invariance and vacuum polarization, Phys. Rev. 82, 664 (1951),
http://dx.doi.org/10.1103/PhysRev.82.664.
 
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Edward Solomo said:
Has this ever been observed in experiments? I would imagine such an object would neutralize through the process you described in a mere fraction of a second.
Not from macroscopic objects. However, something like this may have been seen from heavy ions in high energy collisions. The super-Z nucleus that emitted the photons didn’t last long. Here is a link.
http://www.physicstoday.org/resource/1/phtoad/v38/i11/p17_s1?isAuthorized=no
Abstract of
Puzzling Positron Peaks Appear in Heavy‐Ion Collisions at GSI by Bertram Schwarzschild Physics Today 38(11), 17 (November 1985).
“This is, in fact, the vacuum sparking—or “spontaneous positron emission”— predicted by QED. ... detailed QED calculations predict that spontaneous positron emission will first occur when Z is …”

Edward Solomo said:
Also, could this possibly be one reasons why the universe is dominated by matter instead of antimatter? I would imagine that the magnetic field at the instant of the Big Bang was rather --- intense.

This process would not preferentially favor matter over antimatter in a universe that was already dominated by electromagnetic radiation. The laws of QED are charge-parity (CP) invariant. Some force that is not CP invariant would be needed to favor matter over antimatter.
The only force currently known to break CP invariance is the weak nuclear force. Hypothetically, the weak nuclear force is the one that caused the preponderance of matter in the universe. Vacuum sparking was not directly involved. Hypothetically.
 
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It's surprising how little info I can find on this subject.
 

Related to Can extremely charged objects simulate some black hole effects?

1. Can extremely charged objects create a singularity like a black hole?

While extremely charged objects can create strong gravitational fields, they cannot create a singularity like a black hole. A singularity is a point of infinite density and curvature, which is only possible in black holes due to their unique properties.

2. Can extremely charged objects bend light like a black hole does?

Yes, extremely charged objects can bend light through their strong gravitational fields, just like black holes. This effect is known as gravitational lensing and has been observed in both black holes and extremely charged objects.

3. Can extremely charged objects emit Hawking radiation like a black hole?

No, Hawking radiation is a type of radiation that is emitted by black holes due to quantum effects. Extremely charged objects do not have the same quantum properties as black holes and therefore cannot emit Hawking radiation.

4. Can extremely charged objects have an event horizon like a black hole?

No, an event horizon is a boundary beyond which nothing, not even light, can escape the gravitational pull of a black hole. Extremely charged objects do not have the same structure as black holes and therefore do not have an event horizon.

5. Can extremely charged objects have an accretion disk like a black hole?

Yes, extremely charged objects can have an accretion disk, which is a disk of matter that orbits around the object due to its strong gravitational pull. This is similar to the accretion disks observed in black holes.

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