Can I Transform Multiple Steel Beams into a Single Piece of Concrete?

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When converting multiple steel beams into a single piece of concrete for calculations, it is essential to consider whether this approach is valid for the specific design scenario. The cross-sectional area of the beams is typically small, which may support the idea of treating them as one unit, but additional factors must be analyzed. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding the material composition of the concrete and the role of reinforcement steel within it. A thorough examination of beam types, such as balanced, underreinforced, and overreinforced, is crucial for accurate design. Ultimately, consulting comprehensive resources on reinforced concrete design is recommended for a complete analysis.
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When I convert the steel beams to concrete, do I transform the several different beams into a single piece of concrete in order to do the calculations to find the second moment of area of the beam or do I transform each beam seperately into a concrete piece?
Intuitively, t seems reasonable to just convert all the beams into a single piece of concrete as the the cross-sectional area is usually small, but if it is true is it always valid?
 
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I believe that we will need some kind of schematic, or more information at least.
 
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In a simple case like this.
 
My copy of Reinforced Concrete Design, by Spiegel and Limbrunner, has 18 pages on the design of rectangular beams with only tension steel. I recommend that you find a similar book because there is more to the analysis than what is implied in your question.

Hint: Read carefully the part about balanced vs underreinforced vs overreinforced beams.
 
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pj33 said:
In a simple case like this.
What is the material within the rest of the rectangular cross section?
Does that concrete contain steel in any shape?
 
Lnewqban said:
What is the material within the rest of the rectangular cross section?
Does that concrete contain steel in any shape?
It is a rectangular shaped concrete which has 3 beams of steal in order to reinforce it. When I transforme the 3 beams, I have converted all 3 of them to a single piece of concrete with area mA.
A is the total area of the 3 beams of steal and m is the ratio of the steal's Young's Modulus to the concrete's Young's Modulus
 
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