Can I Use Vector Notation for Graph Translations?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of vector notation for graph translations, particularly in the context of moving parabolas in a Cartesian coordinate system. Participants explore whether it is appropriate to express translations using vectors, such as representing a shift of 4 units left as <-4, 0>.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants discuss the mathematical representation of graph translations and whether vector notation can be applied similarly to shapes. Others question the implications of using such notation in academic settings and the potential reactions from teachers.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the validity of using vector notation for graph translations. There is a mix of opinions regarding the appropriateness of this approach in formal writing, with some suggesting that while it may be mathematically correct, it could lead to negative feedback from educators.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a teacher's reaction to questions about concepts not covered in class, indicating a potential barrier to open discussion about the topic. Additionally, the conversation reflects varying preferences for expressing graph translations, highlighting the subjective nature of academic expectations.

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Homework Statement


Hi. Its not really a problem but just a general question. When doing graph translations, such as move the parabola x units right or y units up etc, Is it okay to use vector format. So instead of saying move this equation 4 units left, could you write it like this -> <-4,0>

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I know this is used for translations of shapes but my main question is can it also be used for graphs

The Attempt at a Solution


I asked my teacher but he just shouted at me for asking him concepts he didnt talk about.
 
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R_Sarav said:

Homework Statement


Hi. Its not really a problem but just a general question. When doing graph translations, such as move the parabola x units right or y units up etc, Is it okay to use vector format. So instead of saying move this equation 4 units left, could you write it like this -> <-4,0>

Homework Equations


I know this is used for translations of shapes but my main question is can it also be used for graphs

The Attempt at a Solution


I asked my teacher but he just shouted at me for asking him concepts he didnt talk about.
A graph ##\mathcal{G}## of usually a function ##x \mapsto f(x)## is a set of points: ##\mathcal{G}=\{\,(x,f(x)\,|\,x \in \operatorname{domain}(f)\,\}##. This is a subset of ##\mathbb{R}^2## and to move it means to move it within this plane ##\mathbb{R}^2##. Thus you need a direction in which it is moved and a distance by which it is moved. But this exactly defines a vector ##v=(v_x,v_y)##. So the moved object will be ##v+\mathcal{G}=\{\,(x+v_x,f(x)+v_y)\,|\,x \in \operatorname{domain}(f)\,\}##. So in a sense this is even better than just to say move by ##"v_0"## in direction ##"x"## or ##"y"## since you allow more than two directions.

However, whether you should argue with your teacher is a complete different question. It's not always important to be right. Sometimes it's smarter not to be.
 
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fresh_42 said:
A graph ##\mathcal{G}## of usually a function ##x \mapsto f(x)## is a set of points: ##\mathcal{G}=\{\,(x,f(x)\,|\,x \in \operatorname{domain}(f)\,\}##. This is a subset of ##\mathbb{R}^2## and to move it means to move it within this plane ##\mathbb{R}^2##. Thus you need a direction in which it is moved and a distance by which it is moved. But this exactly defines a vector ##v=(v_x,v_y)##. So the moved object will be ##v+\mathcal{G}=\{\,(x+v_x,f(x)+v_y\,|\,x \in \operatorname{domain}(f)\,\}##. So in a sense this is even better than just to say move by ##"v_0"## in direction ##"x"## or ##"y"## since you allow more than two directions.

However, whether you should argue with your teacher is a complete different question. It's not always important to be right. Sometimes it's smarter not to be.
So is it okay to write like this ? If i wrote like this In a paper would it be correct ?
 
R_Sarav said:
So is it okay to write like this ? If i wrote like this In a paper would it be correct ?
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. That's why I wrote the formulas, which are correct. 4 to the left would be ##v_x=-4## and ##v_y=0##. It would be correct, if it would be o.k. depends on a lot of human factors. I wouldn't argue just to be right. 4 to the left is usually as good.
 
R_Sarav said:
So is it okay to write like this ? If i wrote like this In a paper would it be correct ?

It is correct, but I suspect that if you wrote it like fresh_42 did your teacher would really yell at you.

If I were your teacher, what I would prefer to see are either of the following (assuming you are graphing a parabola of the form ##y = a + b x^2##). If you want to move the whole graph ##A## units to the right (to the left if ##A < 0##) and ##B## units up (down if ##B < 0##), you could either say that (i) the vertex moves from ##(a,0)## to ##(a+A, 0+B)## but the shape remains unchanged; or (ii) explain that the new graph has equation ##y-B = a + b(x-A)^2 \Rightarrow y = a+B+b(x-A)^2.## Since you are plotting graphs in two-dimensional cartesian coordinate systems, I don't think you could be yelled at for doing it using method (i). However, my personal preference would be that you show your understanding by using method (ii).
 

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