Can Ice Remain After Water Cools to 0°C?

  • Thread starter Thread starter kieselxeren
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Equilibrium
AI Thread Summary
In a system where ice and water coexist without heat exchange, the heat required for ice to reach 0°C and to melt into water must be compared to the heat released by water cooling to 0°C. If the total heat needed by the ice (qi1 + qi2) is less than or equal to the heat released by the water (qw), all ice will melt. The discussion emphasizes that as the water cools to 0°C, the heat lost contributes to melting the ice. If qw is defined as the heat still in the water after reaching 0°C, then no ice will remain. Therefore, under these conditions, it is concluded that all ice will be melted.
kieselxeren
Messages
1
Reaction score
0
Consider that we have ice and water together ( no heat exchange with surrounding ) and
qi1 = heat required by ice to reach 0 C from ti ( < 0 )
qi2 = heat required by ice at 0 C to convert into water at 0 C
qw = heat that can be released by water after reaching 0 C from tw ( > 0 )

if ( qi1 + qi2 ) <= qw

can there be a case when some ice is left in the system ?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
No, your equation says that there is enough heat in the water to after it has reached 0 degrees to melt any ice in the water. In fact, all heat the water loses while dropping to 0 degrees would also contribute to melting the ice.

If you had set qw as the "heat contained by the water at tw" degrees and qi1+ qi2= qw then you would be "right on the verge" where whether there was a tiny amount of ice or not would depend on local effects. But is qi1+ qi2< qw or with your definition of qw as "heat still in the water after reaching 0 C", all ice will be melted.
 
I have recently been really interested in the derivation of Hamiltons Principle. On my research I found that with the term ##m \cdot \frac{d}{dt} (\frac{dr}{dt} \cdot \delta r) = 0## (1) one may derivate ##\delta \int (T - V) dt = 0## (2). The derivation itself I understood quiet good, but what I don't understand is where the equation (1) came from, because in my research it was just given and not derived from anywhere. Does anybody know where (1) comes from or why from it the...
Back
Top