Can Infinity Be a Limit in Vector Integral Calculations?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of using infinity as a limit in vector integral calculations, specifically questioning whether the integral from negative to positive infinity can be expressed as twice the integral from zero to infinity for a given vector function.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of symmetry in functions when evaluating integrals over infinite limits. Some question whether the original poster's assumption about the equality of the integrals holds without symmetry. Others discuss specific piece-wise functions and their behaviors at infinity.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the necessity of symmetry for the proposed equality to hold. Some guidance has been offered regarding the geometric interpretation of integrals and the behavior of specific functions, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding how vector functions behave over infinite limits and the implications of using piece-wise functions in this context. There are references to improper integrals and the need for rigorous proof in certain cases.

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Homework Statement



Consider the function,

[tex] {{\vec{F}}(r)} = {\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}}{{\vec{f}}(r)}{\times}{d{\vec{r}}}[/tex]

Is the following true?,

[tex] {\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}}{{\vec{f}}(r)}{\times}{d{\vec{r}}} = {2}{\int_{0}^{\infty}}{{\vec{f}}(r)}{\times}{d{\vec{r}}}[/tex]

Homework Equations



Knowledge of infinite limits.

The Attempt at a Solution



I believe it is true, since zero is considered the mid-point between an infinite sum of numbers in one direction and an infinite sum of numbers in the opposite direction.

So is that right?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,

-PFStudent
 
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Consider the following piece-wise function:

[tex]f(x) = \begin{cases}<br /> x^2 & x \le 0,\\<br /> \frac{1}{x^2} & x>0<br /> \end{cases}[/tex]
 
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rs1n said:
Consider the following piece-wise function:

[tex]f(x) = \begin{cases}<br /> x^2 & x \le 0,\\<br /> \frac{1}{x^2} & x>0<br /> \end{cases}[/tex]

Thanks for the reply rs1n.

I noticed the function you mentioned approaches infinity for large negative values and approaches zero for large positive values. However, I am not sure how that relates to the question I proposed. What am I missing?

Thanks,

-PFStudent
 
PFStudent said:
Hey,



Thanks for the reply rs1n.

I noticed the function you mentioned approaches infinity for large negative values and approaches zero for large positive values. However, I am not sure how that relates to the question I proposed. What am I missing?

Thanks,

-PFStudent

It could be that I'm missing something (yes, I notice that your integrand is a cross product). However, your function needs have some symmetry in order for your claim to be true. In the example I gave, 2 times the integral of just the "right" side is NOT equal to the overall integral (from negative infinity to positive infinity). You can see this geometrically (just consider the integral as area beneath the curve). The "right" side has finite area whereas the "left" side has infinite area. This can be proven rigorously using limits (see improper integrals in any calculus book).

For example, if you graph [tex]e^{-x^2}[/tex], you'll notice it's symmetric about the y-axis (i.e. it's an even function). In this case, you can say

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{-x^2}\ dx = 2\int_0^\infty e^{-x^2}\ dx[/tex]

Not all functions have such symmetry (e.g. the one I gave).
 
PFStudent said:

Homework Statement



Consider the function,

[tex] {{\vec{F}}(r)} = {\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}}{{\vec{f}}(r)}{\times}{d{\vec{r}}}[/tex]
Here, you show [itex]\vec{r}[/itex] as a vector. How does a vector go from [itex]-\infty[/itex] to [itex]\infty[/itex]?

Is the following true?,

[tex] {\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}}{{\vec{f}}(r)}{\times}{d{\vec{r}}} = {2}{\int_{0}^{\infty}}{{\vec{f}}(r)}{\times}{d{\vec{r}}}[/tex]

Homework Equations



Knowledge of infinite limits.

The Attempt at a Solution



I believe it is true, since zero is considered the mid-point between an infinite sum of numbers in one direction and an infinite sum of numbers in the opposite direction.
As rs1 said, you need symmetry. Yes, you have "an infinite sum of numbers in one direction and an infinites sum of numbers in the opposite direction"- but not necessarily the same sum! The two sums are not necessarily the same.

So is that right?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,

-PFStudent
 
how can I solve this integral ?

∫_(-∞)^(+∞)▒〖1/(16π^2 D^2 (t-t")(t" -t^')) e^((-〖(x-x")〗^2)/(4D(t-t"))-〖(x"-x')〗^2/(4D(t"-t'))) 〗dx"
 

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