Can Jet Engines Accelerate a Spacecraft in Empty Space?

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The discussion centers on whether jet engines can accelerate a spacecraft in empty space, exploring the principles of momentum conservation and propulsion mechanisms. Participants examine the implications of acceleration in a vacuum, particularly in the context of spacecraft maneuverability and control.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that restarting a spacecraft's engine in empty space would allow for acceleration, raising questions about how speed and direction could be controlled without it.
  • Others challenge this idea, questioning how acceleration can occur without an external force.
  • One participant asserts that the rocket itself provides the external force by ejecting mass, thus enabling acceleration.
  • Another participant explains that the rocket-and-exhaust system maintains its center of mass, with the exhaust moving in one direction and the rocket in the opposite direction.
  • Several contributions reference the conservation of momentum, suggesting that ejected gas from the rocket creates an equal and opposite momentum change in the spacecraft.
  • One participant draws an analogy to firing a gun, indicating that the principles of propulsion are similar, with the rocket engine expelling fuel to generate thrust.
  • Another participant distinguishes between two types of jet reactors: exoreactors, which require incoming air, and endoreactors, which do not, noting that only endoreactors can function in space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the ability of jet engines to accelerate a spacecraft in empty space, with some supporting the idea based on momentum conservation and others questioning the feasibility without external forces. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference principles such as conservation of momentum and the mechanics of propulsion without reaching a consensus on the implications for spacecraft acceleration in a vacuum. There are also distinctions made between different types of propulsion systems that may affect their applicability in space.

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Imagine we are in a spacecraft which is moving with a constant velocity in empty space. If we are not influenced by any gravitational forces, and if we restart the engine, will it be accelerated ?
 
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I would hope so. Without acceleration, how would you be able to control your speed and direction? Without acceleration, it would be difficult to control our satellites. Also, docking with the space station would be a real pain.
 
How it can be accelerated without an external force ?
 
I don't know. Ask someone at NASA. I just know that you can't change direction or speed without acceleration.
 
johncena said:
How it can be accelerated without an external force ?

The rocket itself provides the external force by ejecting mass.
 
The rocket-and-exhaust as a closed system will maintain its centre of mass. Exhaust goes left, rocket goes right. CoM remains in place.
 
By conservation of momentum. If gas is ejected from the back with a momentum, the ship will feel an increase of the same mometum but to the other direction. And by definition, change in momentum over time is force. Suppose you are in space with some rocks in your pocket, if you throw those rocks backwards, you will start moving forward.
 
It's the same principle as firing a gun. The propellant ignites, propelling the projectile down the barrel and sending force back along the weapon and eventually into the person holding it. Hence the "jerk" when you fire a gun.

A rocket engine works on the same principle, but instead of a projectile, it sends the spent fuel backwards to propel itself forwards.
 
It s the momentum conservation (or motion quantity p=mv), and the same explanation why gun slide recoil.

The mas of gas that the jet engine blow out, multiplied for its velocity, must be the same of the mass of the space ship, multiplied for the spaceship velocity.
mv=MV

You have two kind of jet reactor, esoreactor (typical planes), where you have that there is also an incoming mass of air, and endoreactor (rocket kind), where all the propellent is inside the rocket and there is no incoming mass. The first can't work in space, as there is no air.

You can also measure the speed force as the mass flow of ejected combusted gas and the gas velocity F=m'*v.
 

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