Can power factor be greater than 1?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether the power factor of an electrical system can exceed 1. Participants explore this concept in the context of electrical systems, particularly focusing on motor applications and exam questions related to power factor measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the power factor cannot exceed 1, referencing the mathematical definition that cos(x) is always less than or equal to 1.
  • Another participant presents a scenario from an exam question where a three-phase motor is stated to have a power factor of 1.05, questioning the validity of this claim.
  • A different participant suggests that the term "power factor margin" could lead to a misunderstanding, proposing that it relates the rated power of the electrical driver to its mechanical load, which may imply a different context for the power factor measurement.
  • Some participants indicate that in practical applications, particularly with centrifugal machines, the motor rating should consider extreme operational conditions, which could lead to discussions about how power factor is defined or applied in those scenarios.
  • There is a suggestion that the exam question may contain a typo or misuse of the term "power factor," as traditional definitions do not support values greater than 1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of a power factor greater than 1, with some asserting it is impossible while others suggest contextual interpretations that could allow for such a claim. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential confusion regarding the terminology used in the exam question, as well as the definitions and applications of power factor in different contexts, particularly in relation to motor efficiency and operational conditions.

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Can the power factor of an electrical system ever be greater than 1? if yes.. then when and how?
 
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No. Cosx<=1. Mathematically impossible.
 
Ok, well, This question is on the TCEQ A-Operator exam:

5. You have a newly installed deep well vertical turbine pump with centrifugal motor driver with a guaranteed overall efficiency of at least 74%. The pump is pumping 500 gpm from a well with a 60-foot static level and a specific capacity of 12.5 into a 180-foot elevated tank. The pump driver is a three-phase motor with a power factor of 1.05. It is drawing 43 amps on a 480 volt service. A gauge 5 feet above ground level at the tank site is reading 69 psi. The total head loss is 8%. What is the actual overall efficiency?
A. 95.2%
B. 84.7%
C. 74.1%
D. 71.7%
E. 60.3%

It states that the power factor is 1.05! Can you explain that?
 
accurate.wate said:
Ok, well, This question is on the TCEQ A-Operator exam:

5. You have a newly installed deep well vertical turbine pump with centrifugal motor driver with a guaranteed overall efficiency of at least 74%. The pump is pumping 500 gpm from a well with a 60-foot static level and a specific capacity of 12.5 into a 180-foot elevated tank. The pump driver is a three-phase motor with a power factor of 1.05. It is drawing 43 amps on a 480 volt service. A gauge 5 feet above ground level at the tank site is reading 69 psi. The total head loss is 8%. What is the actual overall efficiency?
A. 95.2%
B. 84.7%
C. 74.1%
D. 71.7%
E. 60.3%

It states that the power factor is 1.05! Can you explain that?

Good question. Then that's either a typo, or the test question is abusing the electric term 'power factor' in some way. A ~30HP motor like this one might (?) have a power factor of 0.95. As indicated above, PF can not exceed 1.0.

The given information is typical for motor ratings (except for the 1.05?), so the question is phrased to allow you to calculate the actual power used by the motor (PF x volts x amps). The rate that work is done on the water delivered to the elevated tank divided by that motor power gives you the overall system efficiency.
 
Yes it is always greater than 1, indeed he says about power factor margin which means the relation of rated power of electrical driver and its related mechanical load.

PF = Rated power of electrical motor / Required maximum mechanical power

Of course when considering centrifugal machines it is important to base the motor rating on the ‘end of curve’ condition of the driven machine, because in practice the machine may need to run at this extreme condition for a reasonably long period of time. This condition is generally defined as 125% of the capacity of the machine at the maximum working efficiency point on the ‘head-flow’ curve for the designed shaft speed.


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m.s.j said:
Yes it is always greater than 1, indeed he says about power factor margin which means the relation of rated power of electrical driver and its related mechanical load.

PF = Rated power of electrical motor / Required maximum mechanical power

Of course when considering centrifugal machines it is important to base the motor rating on the ‘end of curve’ condition of the driven machine, because in practice the machine may need to run at this extreme condition for a reasonably long period of time. This condition is generally defined as 125% of the capacity of the machine at the maximum working efficiency point on the ‘head-flow’ curve for the designed shaft speed.
Ug, looks like some cross discipline language mangling in play here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor" is always one or less.
 
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