Can someone explain my answer to me? I want to understand it.

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The discussion revolves around understanding the application of Ohm's law and Kirchhoff's current law in a circuit analysis problem. Participants are exploring the concepts of voltage, current sources, and voltage drops across resistors in a specific circuit configuration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the source of voltage in the circuit, questioning where the 100 volts originates without a voltage source.
  • Another participant explains that a current source in parallel with a resistor can be modeled as a voltage source in series with a resistance, suggesting that a voltage must exist to drive the current.
  • There is a mention of Kirchhoff's Voltage Law, indicating that the negative side of the current source is at 0 volts and the positive side is at 100 volts.
  • Participants discuss the general rule that voltages in parallel are equal and that current in series is the same everywhere, although one participant questions how the voltage drop can be 100 volts across each resistor if the total available voltage is only 100 volts.
  • A later post raises a question about the power delivered by the current source, noting a discrepancy between the participant's understanding of positive voltage and current versus the teacher's indication of negative power.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the circuit analysis, with some agreeing on the application of Kirchhoff's laws while others remain uncertain about the implications of voltage drops and power calculations. The discussion reflects multiple competing views and unresolved questions.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the circuit configuration and the definitions of voltage and current in the context of the current source and resistors. Some mathematical steps and concepts, such as Thevenin's theorem, are mentioned but not fully explored.

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Use Ohm's law and Kirchhoff's current law to determine the current I1 in the circuit of Figure--


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So I'm trying to fully understand what is going on here..

Besides not getting where the voltage comes from without a voltage source; where is the 100volts? Its the drop over the equivalent resister Rp, I know that. So I guess there is 0 volt on the ground side (-?) of the current source and 100 volts on the opposite (+?) side.

I used 100 volt to find the current through R1, but its 100 volts through R2 also? How is it 100 volts through both?


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You have a current source in parallel with a resistance (R1 or R2 or RP) which can be modeled as a voltage source in series with a resistance (maybe not learned that yet? you don't need to do it to calculate the voltages anyway).

Either way, you can have a voltage with no current flowing (terminals of a battery) but you can never a current flowing with no voltage, thus to have a current source, there must be a voltage somewhere driving the current.

Ohms Law shows us this, in that for any current flowing through a resistor there will be a voltage V, as you have calculated.

Yes the (-) is 0 and the (+) is 100, as per Kirchoffs Voltage law around any of the loops.

Are you aware of the general rule that voltages in parallel are equal and current in series is the same everywhere?
 
Zryn said:
You have a current source in parallel with a resistance (R1 or R2 or RP) which can be modeled as a voltage source in series with a resistance (maybe not learned that yet? you don't need to do it to calculate the voltages anyway).
Thevenin equivalent? We were lectured on it but I haven't studied it. And its after this section in the book.


Zryn said:
Either way, you can have a voltage with no current flowing (terminals of a battery) but you can never a current flowing with no voltage, thus to have a current source, there must be a voltage somewhere driving the current.

Ohms Law shows us this, in that for any current flowing through a resistor there will be a voltage V, as you have calculated.

Yes the (-) is 0 and the (+) is 100, as per Kirchoffs Voltage law around any of the loops.

Are you aware of the general rule that voltages in parallel are equal and current in series is the same everywhere?

Isn't V=I1R1 the voltage drop over the resister? Meaning it has less voltage after it goes through? So how can the voltage drop be 100 for each if there is only 100 to begin with?
 
Did I do this right? Finding the power delivered by the current source?

My teacher says its negative, but I see positive voltage on the positive side of the current source, and its a positive current. So how does he get negative?

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