Can sound waves cause a burning effect on some materials?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores whether sound waves can heat materials to the point of combustion and examines the conditions under which this might occur, including the types of materials and frequencies involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that sound waves can indeed heat materials sufficiently to cause combustion, particularly through mechanisms like shock waves.
  • One participant suggests that for normal sound waves to ignite a material, it must absorb more energy than it can reradiate at its kindling temperature while in contact with an oxidant.
  • It is noted that the volume of sound plays a significant role in the heating rate, with louder sounds potentially increasing the effectiveness.
  • Another participant raises the idea of using sound-absorbing materials and ultrasound frequencies (20 kHz to 40 kHz) to explore their potential for causing combustion.
  • Concerns are expressed about safety when experimenting with high sound levels and the effectiveness of sound-absorbing materials at ultrasonic frequencies.
  • One participant mentions the need for concentrated sound energy in a small area to achieve significant heating effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of using sound waves for combustion, with no consensus on specific methods or materials that would be effective.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on material properties, the effectiveness of sound absorption at ultrasonic frequencies, and the need for further exploration of energy concentration methods.

Dimitar63
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Hi, I wonder
is it possible sound wave heat material that high that the material goes up in flames?
Or what other type of frequency can make some materials burn?
 
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The answer is certainly "yes". It's just a question on coming up with realistic examples.
Certainly shock waves can be used to detonate any chemical explosive.

For normal sound waves to affect a material that way, you would need the material to absorb more energy that it can reradiate at the kindling temperature and while still maintaining contact with an oxidant.
The volume of the sound will contribute directly to the rate of heating. If it's loud enough to make the material "rattle", all the better. The material itself should be well-insulted, to retain the heat.

And pick a combustible material that does not efficiently reflect or conduct the sound. Perhaps a powder - or a mixture of powders with widely varying specific gravities.
 
Thanks for your answer, Scott!
How about small peace of "absorb sound material" (used in record studios) and ultrasound between 20 kHz and 40 kHz.
Do you think it will work ?
 
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Dimitar63 said:
Thanks for your answer, Scott!
How about small peace of "absorb sound material" (used in record studios) and ultrasound between 20 kHz and 40 kHz.
Do you think it will work ?
I have worked with anechoic chambers - and with multi-kilowatt speakers. The first thing I noticed is that even a sealed metal chamber lined with the black absorbing foam does not stop all of the sound. The other thing is that it doesn't take much energy to make something incredibly loud.

So to avoid damaging you ears or other body parts, I would be very, very careful in how you experiment - even with the ultrasonic frequencies between 20KHz to 40KHz. Also, do your speakers and that sound absorbing material work well at ultrasonic frequencies?

Next, find a way of driving a significant percentage of the energy out in the form of sound waves that are concentrated in a small area. For example, the loud hailers I was working with could pump out more than 1Kwatt each. But the area at the front of the cone was 5 or 6 square feet. So it would have taken quite a while to burn anything with that sound.
 

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