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The discussion revolves around finding a material that can be combined with glass to create a flat surface that is transparent to sound, with minimal degradation of sound waves as they pass through. The context includes considerations of acoustic coupling and the structural requirements for a vessel containing water.

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  • One participant seeks a material that minimally affects sound wave degradation and can serve as a flat surface.
  • Another participant discusses the importance of acoustic coupling and suggests that the boundary should have similar acoustic properties to the media through which sound is propagated, emphasizing the need for minimal mass and sufficient tensile strength.
  • Questions are raised about the rigidity of the base and whether the vessel will be sitting in water, with suggestions of using a thin membrane.
  • Concerns are expressed about transitions between materials with different sound speeds, which could complicate sound propagation.
  • A participant mentions using a flexiglass type material but expresses a need for something more rigid yet acoustically transparent for manufacturing purposes.
  • Polydimethylsiloxane is proposed as a potential material, with inquiries about its moldability to glass for creating the vessel's bottom.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the requirements for the material and the design of the vessel, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the best solution.

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Discussions include assumptions about the acoustic properties of materials and the structural integrity needed for the vessel, but these assumptions are not universally agreed upon.

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... transparent to sound.

Hi, I am looking for a material that will have almost zero effect on the degradation of a sound wave as it passes through. It must be a flat surface. It will be used like this:

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Can any of you materials guys think of anything that would work?

Thanks for any ideas.
 
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The sound is supposed to pass through the column of water from top to bottom, but not through the sides?

This is a matter of acoustic coupling. One wants a boundary that has similar acoustic properties to those of the media through which the sound is propagated. The boundary would need minimal mass, but it has to have sufficient tensile strength to retain the water (mass of the water). Does the base have to be rigid?

If the glass is simply opened at the bottom, one could insert a balloon or thin walled bag to hold the water.

Will the column of water or glass tube/vessel be sitting in water? If so, one could use a thin membrane perhaps.
 
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Where does the sound come from? Is the glass on some surface, or suspended in air?
In general, every transition between materials with different speed of sound is problematic.
 
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Thanks of the replies!

Astronuc said:
The sound is supposed to pass through the column of water from top to bottom, but not through the sides?

Hm that is not so important, what is important is that the sound be degraded as little as possible by the bottom of the container. We want maximum acoustic energy transfer.

Astronuc said:
This is a matter of acoustic coupling. One wants a boundary that has similar acoustic properties to those of the media through which the sound is propagated. The boundary would need minimal mass, but it has to have sufficient tensile strength to retain the water (mass of the water). Does the base have to be rigid?

We are presently using a flexiglass type material, what I really need is something more rigid but equally acoustically transparent that will aid in the vessels manufacture.

Astronuc said:
Will the column of water or glass tube/vessel be sitting in water? If so, one could use a thin membrane perhaps.

Yes! in some of the experiments the vessel will be suspended in water. Please could you explain to what type of membraine you refer?

mfb said:
Where does the sound come from? Is the glass on some surface, or suspended in air?
In general, every transition between materials with different speed of sound is problematic.

hmm yes apologies I should have been more precise, yes the vessel will be suspended in liquid, so it will be more like this:

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In the meantime I found a paper that uses <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydimethylsiloxane">Polydimethylsiloxane </a> if anyone has any experience with this type of material? Could it be easily moulded to the glass sides to make the bottom of the vessel?
 

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