Can speed of light be changed ?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the speed of light, particularly whether it can vary in different media and under various conditions, including the early universe. Participants explore theoretical frameworks such as variable speed of light (VSL) and the implications of light's speed in relation to other constants and gravitational effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the possibility of the speed of light differing in various media and whether it can be altered, referencing the theory of varying speed of light (VSL).
  • Others challenge the claim that the speed of light was different in the early universe, asking for references to support this assertion.
  • One participant explains that the speed of light does indeed vary in different media, citing examples like glass and water, and mentions Cherenkov Radiation as a related phenomenon.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding Maxwell's equations to grasp how light's speed is derived and why it slows in certain media.
  • A participant discusses the relativity of speed, arguing that changes in the speed of light should be understood in relation to other constants rather than as absolute changes.
  • Some participants mention technological advancements that allow for the slowing of light, referencing specific studies and experiments.
  • There is a discussion about the mechanisms behind light slowing in media, particularly the lag in photon absorption and emission by electrons, and how gravity affects the perceived speed of light under general relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the nature of light's speed in different contexts. While some acknowledge that light slows in media, the discussion about VSL theories and the implications of gravitational effects remains contested and unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific interpretations of theoretical frameworks, and there are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and implications of speed in different contexts. The discussion includes references to external sources that may not be universally accepted as authoritative.

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I mean to say that can the speed of light differs in various media?
Can we do any thing to change or alter speed of light?
According to the theory of varying speed of light (VSL),
the speed of light in the earlier satges of university were different from what
they are today?
How is this possible?
or is it just another theory with no proof?
 
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where did you read that the speed of light was different in the early universe? References please.
 
Absoultely speed of light differs through media. It goes slower through glass or water, for example.

This is Cherenkov Radiation...it's what happens when charged particles travel faster through water than the speed of light (in water). I guess it's the light-equivalent of a sonic boom, although I'm sure that's an oversimplification.

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I think they even managed to slow light down to human-scale speeds in some experiments...
 
Maybe you'd better learn the Maxwell's equation first to see how light's speed comes from and why it travels slower in some media.Wikipedia is not science book. lol
 
l470594464 said:
Maybe you'd better learn the Maxwell's equation first to see how light's speed comes from and why it travels slower in some media.Wikipedia is not science book. lol

couldn't agree more..
 
What needs to be realized in these VSL theories is that when you talk about a speed it has no absolute meaning whatsoever. Even the speed of your car is meaningless except in relation to the road, or whatever else you want to compare it to.

As an example from a post I just made on gravity in a hollow sphere, when GR invoked a variance in the apparent mass of Mercury to explain the perihelion precession you could just as easily say that it was not the apparent mass that changed but the apparent value of the gravitational constant (big G). Mathematically this has exactly the same empirical result. Yet keeping these constants constant in this way keeps the formalism defining the laws of physics consistent in a straightforward manner. Arguing one or the other is 'absolutely' the true definition of what occurred is meaningless and physically absurd.

So when VSL theories are talking about changes in the speed of light they are not referring to any actual change in absolute speed. Rather they are talking about its speed relative to some other constant. You could also say it was the other constant that changed rather than light speed, but then that involves a rather pedantic argument over what constitutes an absolute speed or metric. Coordinate independence is almost certainly a fundamental property of the Universe.
 
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The speed of light in a media is slowed down because of the lag between absorption and emission of photons by the electrons in the media. The speed of light remains the same as it travels from electron to electron as it would in a vacuum.

The speed of light is affected by gravity under general relativity:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapiro_delay
 
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rcgldr said:
The speed of light in a media is slowed down because of the lag between absorption and emission of photons by the electrons in the media. The speed of light remains the same as it travels from electron to electron as it would in a vacuum.

The speed of light is affected by gravity under general relativity:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapiro_delay

Absolutely correct on the speed through a medium, but the gravitational effects need a bit more explanation. At the local point by point position the photon tracks through space the speed of light always remains constant relative to that point. The problem is that for an inertial observing this track each point the photon occupies has a slightly different clock rate relative to that observer. Hence to that observer it 'appears' that the speed of light changes as it progresses through the gravitational field. Yet relative to the clock rate defined at the points the photon occupies it never changes.
 

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