Can Static Attraction and Magnetic Attraction Coexist?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the differences between static attraction and magnetic attraction, specifically questioning why a static object, such as a balloon, cannot be attracted to a magnet. The scope includes conceptual understanding of electric and magnetic fields as well as the principles of electromagnetism.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the fundamental differences between static attraction and magnetic attraction, noting their understanding of static charge interactions and atomic arrangements in magnets.
  • Another participant explains that moving electric charges create magnetic fields and that magnetic fields do not directly interact with static electric fields unless there is motion involved.
  • A later reply suggests that static fields consist of "non-moving" electrons, while magnets involve moving electrons, proposing this as a reason for the lack of interaction between a balloon and a magnet.
  • It is noted that the balloon has an electric field but no magnetic field, while the magnet has a magnetic field but no electric field, leading to the conclusion that there is no force between them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion includes multiple viewpoints on the interaction between static and magnetic fields, with no consensus reached on the underlying principles or the reasons for the lack of attraction.

Contextual Notes

Participants express assumptions about the nature of electric and magnetic fields, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities of their interactions or the definitions involved.

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What is the difference between static attraction or repelling, compared to magnetic.
I understand the princips of static build up and why a charged positive and charged negative attract each other. I also understand how the atoms are arranged in a "metal-magnet".
But why can't you attract a static object (balloon) wit a magnet?
 
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Moving electric charges create magnetic fields and moving magnets create electric fields, but they don't directly interact with each other like that. A magnetic field does not interact with an electric field directly. The electric field has to be moving, thereby creating its own magnetic field, and then those two magnetic fields can interact (or vice versa with magnets and electric fields).
 
Okay, that would explain electromagnetism!
So a static field consists of "non moving" electrons! And a magnet consists of molecules with moving electrons, is that right/the answer to why they won't interact?
 
Great-dane said:
Okay, that would explain electromagnetism!
So a static field consists of "non moving" electrons! And a magnet consists of molecules with moving electrons, is that right/the answer to why they won't interact?

The balloon has an electric field but no magnetic field. The magnet has a magnetic field but no electric field. Therefore, there is no force between them.
 
Ok, Quantum! Thanks for your time!
 

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