Can the equation E = pc be applied to particles?

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The equation E = pc applies exclusively to massless particles, such as photons and gluons, and cannot be applied to particles with rest mass. The discussion clarifies that for particles with rest mass, the correct energy equation is E = γm₀c², where γ is the Lorentz factor. The derivation shows that E ≠ pc when rest mass (m₀) is non-zero, confirming the limitations of the equation in relation to relativistic momentum. This conclusion is essential for understanding the energy-momentum relationship in relativistic physics.

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Homework Statement

Can the equation E = pc be applied to particles? Why or why not?

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It can be applied to particles that DONT have a rest mass (photons, which are particles). It can not be applied to particles that have a rest mass (almost everything).
 
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OK start, but it would be more complete to consider the equations that express the relative energy of particles that do have rest mass.
 
So its only applicable to photons (and gluons)?
But you only make a stament and do not explain why it is so?
 
Try this. Evaluate the quantity

m2c4 - m02c4
where of course mc2 = E
 
gleem said:
where of course mc2 = E
Just a clarification of what gleem is saying:
E over here is the total energy of the object. So the actual formula for this will be ##E= \gamma m_0 c^2##, where $$\gamma = \frac {1}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}$$. By m, gleem means the relativistic mass (an orthodox concept, really) ##m=\gamma m_0##.
(I'm providing this clarification in case the OP accidentally uses the rest mass for the formula for E over here)
 
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I get up to the point where it evaluates to E2(v2/c2)?
 
andrevdh said:
I get up to the point where it evaluates to E2(v2/c2)?
OK. Now substitute ##E=\gamma m_0 c^2## for E. What does this reduce to? Do you know the relativistic momentum expression?
 
I think it comes to (pc)2?
Which approaches the energy-momentum relation from the other side.
How is this relevant to the original question?
We evaluated a difference between two terms and found
that they are related to the relativistic momentum of the entity?
 
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andrevdh said:
I think it comes to (pc)2?
Which approaches the energy-momentum relation from the other side.
How is this relevant to the original question?
We evaluated a difference between two terms and found
that they are related to the relativistic momentum of the entity?
It is relevant because you just derived the forumula ##pc=\sqrt{{\gamma}^2m_0^2 c^4 - m_0 ^2c^4} = \sqrt{E^2-m_0^2 c^4}##, proving the fact that ##E≠pc## if ##m_0 ≠0 ##, which I believe was your original question.
 
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I'll think about it.
It seems to make sense.
Thank you.
 

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