Can the Limits of Integration be Changed in the Fresnel Integral?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the integral involving the product of cosine functions, specifically \(\int_{1}^{\infty} \cos(x) \cos(x^2) \, dx\). Participants explore the use of Fresnel integrals in this context, questioning the convergence of the integral and the appropriate limits of integration.

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  • Participants discuss the potential forms of the integral and question the methods for integration, including integration by parts and the application of Fresnel integrals. Some express uncertainty about the convergence of the integral and the implications of changing limits of integration.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants providing insights and attempting to clarify the use of Fresnel integrals. Some have offered guidance on the integration process, while others are seeking further clarification on specific steps and concepts.

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There is mention of a hint provided by the professor regarding the use of Fresnel integrals, but participants note that this topic was not covered in class. Additionally, questions arise about the limits of integration for Fresnel integrals and their convergence properties.

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I need help for this integral


cosx cosx[tex]^{2}[/tex]
 
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Nanie said:
I need help for this integral cosx cosx[tex]^{2}[/tex]

Do you mean
[tex]\int cos(x) cos^2(x) dx[/tex]
or
[tex]\int cos(x) cos(x^2) dx[/tex]
?
 
Whatever you mean, what have you tried?
 
cos(x)cos(x^2)
 
I don't think the anti-derivative can be expressed in elementary functions.
 
Nanie said:
cos(x)cos(x^2)

You will need to integrate this by-parts and express your answer in terms of Fresnel Integrals which are defined here: http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothoid#Cornu_spiral"
 
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thanks... sorry for my english...I hope that can understand me...

This integral [tex] \int_{1}[/tex] [tex]^{\infty}[/tex] cos(x)cos(x2) dx

I have to say that is convergent or divergent. The proffessor gave us a hint (Fresnel Integral)...but I don't know how to use it, He don't discuss it in class . I understand everything but the cos(x2) jeje I don't know how to integrate.

Thanks gabbagabbahey for the link...
 
Nanie said:
thanks... sorry for my english...I hope that can understand me...

This integral [tex] \int_{1}[/tex] [tex]^{\infty}[/tex] cos(x)cos(x2) dx

I have to say that is convergent or divergent. The proffessor gave us a hint (Fresnel Integral)...but I don't know how to use it, He don't discuss it in class . I understand everything but the cos(x2) jeje I don't know how to integrate.

Thanks gabbagabbahey for the link...

Okay, this is going to be ugly, but here it goes:

[tex]cos(x)cos(x^2)=\frac{cos(x^2-x)+cos(x^2+x)}{2}= \frac{cos \left( x^2-x+\frac{1}{4} - \frac{1}{4} \right)+cos \left( x^2+x+\frac{1}{4} - \frac{1}{4} \right) }{2} = \frac{cos \left( \left( x-\frac{1}{2} \right) ^2 - \frac{1}{4} \right)+cos \left( \left( x+\frac{1}{2} \right) ^2 - \frac{1}{4} \right) }{2}[/tex]


[tex]= \frac{ cos \left( \left( x - \frac{1}{2} \right) ^2 \right) cos \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) +sin \left( \left( x - \frac{1}{2} \right) ^2 \right) sin \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) +cos \left( \left( x + \frac{1}{2} \right) ^2 \right) cos \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) +sin \left( \left( x + \frac{1}{2} \right) ^2 \right) sin \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) }{2}[/tex]


[tex]\Rightarrow \int_1^{\infty} cos(x)cos(x^2)dx[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{1}{2} \int_1^{\infty} cos \left( \left( x - \frac{1}{2} \right) ^2 \right) cos \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) +sin \left( \left( x - \frac{1}{2} \right) ^2 \right) sin \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) +cos \left( \left( x + \frac{1}{2} \right) ^2 \right) cos \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) +sin \left( \left( x + \frac{1}{2} \right) ^2 \right) sin \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) dx[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{1}{2} \left[ cos \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) \int_1^{\infty} cos \left( \left( x - \frac{1}{2} \right) ^2 \right)dx + sin \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) \int_1^{\infty} sin \left( \left( x - \frac{1}{2} \right) ^2 \right)dx + cos \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) \int_1^{\infty} cos \left( \left( x + \frac{1}{2} \right) ^2 \right) dx[/tex]

[tex]\left{+ sin \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) \int_1^{\infty} sin \left( \left( x + \frac{1}{2} \right) ^2 \right) dx \right][/tex]


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Make the following substitutions:

[tex]u \equiv x-\frac{1}{2} , \quad v \equiv x+ \frac{1}{2} \quad \Rightarrow du=dv=dx , \quad u: \frac{3}{2} \rightarrow \infty , \quad v: \frac{1}{2} \rightarrow \infty[/tex]

[tex]\Rightarrow \int_1^{\infty} cos(x)cos(x^2)dx[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{1}{2} cos \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) \int_{\frac{3}{2}}^{\infty} cos(u^2)du + \frac{1}{2} sin \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) \int_{\frac{3}{2}}^{\infty} sin(u^2)du + \frac{1}{2} cos \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) \int_{\frac{1}{2}}^{\infty} cos(v^2)dv + \frac{1}{2} sin \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) \int_{\frac{1}{2}}^{\infty} sin(v^2)dv[/tex]

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Now using the definition of the Fresnel sine and cosine integrals, [tex]S(t),\quad C(t)[/tex] :

[tex]S(t) \equiv \int_0^t sin(q^2)dq , \quad C(t) \equiv \int_0^t cos(q^2)dq[/tex]

we get:

[tex]\int_1^{\infty} cos(x)cos(x^2)dx = \frac{1}{2} cos \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) \left( C(\infty)-C \left( \frac{3}{2} \right) \right) + \frac{1}{2} sin \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) \left( S(\infty)-S \left( \frac{3}{2} \right) \right) + \frac{1}{2} cos \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) \left( C(\infty)-C \left( \frac{1}{2} \right) \right)[/tex]
[tex]+ \frac{1}{2} sin \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) \left( S(\infty)-S \left( \frac{1}{2} \right) \right)[/tex]
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...And using the fact that
[tex]S(\infty) = C(\infty) =\frac{\sqrt{\pi}}{8}[/tex]
this becomes:

[tex]\int_1^{\infty} cos(x)cos(x^2)dx = -\frac{1}{2} \left[ cos \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) \left( C \left( \frac{3}{2} \right) + C \left( \frac{1}{2} \right) -\frac{\sqrt{\pi}}{4} \right) + sin \left( \frac{1}{4} \right) \left( S \left( \frac{3}{2} \right) +S \left( \frac{1}{2} \right) -\frac{\sqrt{\pi}}{4} \right) \right][/tex]
 
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iah...very ugly...wow!

thanks thanks... jeje now I will try to understand it!
 
  • #13
im nanies roommate and we take the class together and the problem is that i don't understand what u did in the first part of this problem and don't know where the cosX^2 - X come from. also i don't understand why u divided everything by 2...please help me
 
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medinap said:
im nanies roommate and we take the class together and the problem is that i don't understand what u did in the first part of this problem and don't know where the cosX^2 - X come from. also i don't understand why u divided everything by 2...please help me

I used the following Trig Identity:

[tex]cos(A)cos(B)=\frac{cos(A-B)+cos(A+B)}{2}[/tex]
 
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ok thank you soo much! the thing is that i have being trying it since tuesday! but thanks
 
  • #16
THANK YOU!o:):cool:
 
  • #17
a doubt come into my mind when i was doing the calculus exercise. ...i need to know if in the fresnel integral i can used any limit of integration or only from 0 to infinite...:confused:
 
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Nanie said:
a doubt come into my mind when i was doing the calculus exercise. ...i need to know if in the fresnel integral i can used any limit of integration or only from 0 to infinite...:confused:

If the limits are zero to infinty, then you have S(infinty), but if the limits are 0 to a, you have S(a) as long is a is positive, the fresnel integrals converge.
 

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