Can the Movement of Atomic Parts Be Measured in Time?

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The discussion revolves around measuring time delays in the movement of atomic parts, specifically protons and neutrons versus electrons. It clarifies that electrons do not move in a classical sense within atoms, as their behavior is described by quantum mechanics. The concept of a "pool ball effect" is questioned, highlighting that atomic interactions are better modeled through harmonic oscillators rather than direct collisions. Additionally, protons and neutrons in the nucleus are not easily treated as separate entities, complicating the understanding of their movement. Overall, the complexities of atomic structure and behavior challenge straightforward interpretations of atomic movement and timing.
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Physics noob here. I was wondering, is there a way to measure time delay between the movement of one part of an atom from another? Is there any?
 
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"Movement" of what part of an atom?

Zz.
 
I'm trying to get a better grasp on whether protons and neutrons moving are separate or the same in time.
 
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0day said:
I'm trying to get a better grasp on whether protons and neutrons moving are separate or the same in time.

This is a bit puzzling.

Typically, when one asks "states of atoms", these are the electronic states.

Asking about protons and neutrons are "nuclear states".

So now I'm confused to what exactly you are asking for.

Zz.
 
Well electrons move at a rate that is supposed to be limited to the speed of light, so for example if a unit consisting of 2 atoms is pushed by a force, it would resemble a pool ball effect correct? But is this same effect true for neutrons and protons? Specifically is there a pool ball effect on protons and neutrons, or are they effectively linked in time?
 
0day said:
Well electrons move at a rate that is supposed to be limited to the speed of light, so for example if a unit consisting of 2 atoms is pushed by a force, it would resemble a pool ball effect correct? But is this same effect true for neutrons and protons? Specifically is there a pool ball effect on protons and neutrons, or are they effectively linked in time?

There are several puzzling issues here:

1. Electrons in atoms/molecules don't actually "move". The quantum description of their states do not have such a description (also see the FAQ subforum on why electrons in an atom don't crash into the nucleus).

2. I'm not sure what you mean by the poll ball effect. Are you thinking of two things colliding physically? In a solid, the simplified model of the atoms arrangement is via linking them with "springs", or as an arrangement of harmonic oscillators. This is how action, or force, is transmitted. The valence electrons are the ones involved in connecting one atom to another. The nucleons are not involved at all in all of this fun, other than collectively undergoing the translation.

3. The activity going on in the nucleus isn't as easy as you think. Often, one can't think of the protons and neutrons being separate entities while they are in the nucleus (that's why often times they are called partons). I'm just not sure to what extent do you want the details.

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