Can Traditional Collision Problems Be Solved Using Quantum Mechanics?

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The discussion explores whether traditional collision problems from classical mechanics can be applied and solved using quantum mechanics, specifically in the context of electron-electron scattering. Participants examine the applicability of conservation laws and the formulation of wavefunctions in quantum scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if traditional techniques for solving elastic collisions, such as conservation of momentum and kinetic energy, can be adapted for quantum mechanical scenarios involving particles like electrons.
  • Another participant asserts that while conservation of energy and momentum still apply, the use of separate wavefunctions for incoming and outgoing particles is incorrect; a single two-particle wavefunction is necessary.
  • A subsequent post seeks clarification on whether two separate two-particle wavefunctions should be used for before and after the collision.
  • Another participant suggests a formulation involving derivatives of a two-particle wavefunction to represent the system's dynamics.
  • One participant proposes using a two-dimensional Schrödinger equation with an interaction term to describe the system, emphasizing the need for a unified equation that accounts for both kinetic and potential energy contributions.
  • A later reply corrects a previous statement regarding kinetic energy, indicating a need for precision in the formulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of conservation laws in quantum mechanics, but there is disagreement regarding the correct formulation of wavefunctions and the approach to modeling the collision process.

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Participants express uncertainty about the correct mathematical formulations and the specifics of the interaction terms in the Schrödinger equation. There are also unresolved questions about the treatment of wavefunctions in the context of particle interactions.

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Hi,

I am wondering if all the old collisions problems from beginning physics can still be applied and solved for using quantum mechanics. For example. In mechanics we used conservation of momentum and kinetic energy in elastic collisions to solve for out-going momentums of pool balls. Can the same techniques be used for say, electron-electron scattering (non-relativistic)?

Say I have two particles, thing one and thing two. Can I use this system of equations to solve for the out-going momentums

[tex]\frac{\partial \psi(x_1)}{\partial x_1}+\frac{\partial\psi(x_2)}{\partial x_2}=\frac{\partial\psi'(x_1)}{\partial x_1}+\frac{\partial\psi'(x_2)}{\partial x_2}[/tex]

and

[tex]\frac{\partial^2\psi(x_1)}{\partial x_1^2}+\frac{\partial^2\psi(x_2)}{\partial x_2^2}=\frac{\partial^2\psi'(x_1)}{\partial x_1^2}+\frac{\partial^2\psi'(x_2)}{\partial x_2^2}.[/tex]

Which I think are the 1D analogues for elastic collisions between pool balls. I would need to specify directions and signs too. But say I know the in-coming momentums, can I use these to solve for the out-going momentums?
 
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Conservation of energy and momentum still hold, but you can't use separate wavefunctions for the two incoming particles, ψ(x1), ψ(x2), not to mention separate wavefunctions ψ'(x1), ψ'(x2) for particles after the collision. It's all one two-particle wavefunction ψ(x1, x2).
 
Bill_K said:
Conservation of energy and momentum still hold, but you can't use separate wavefunctions for the two incoming particles, ψ(x1), ψ(x2), not to mention separate wavefunctions ψ'(x1), ψ'(x2) for particles after the collision. It's all one two-particle wavefunction ψ(x1, x2).

Should I have two, two particle wave functions? One for before, and one after?
 
Would it be something like this:

[tex]\left(\frac{\partial}{\partial x_1}+\frac{\partial}{\partial x_2}\right)\psi(x_1,x_2)=\left( \frac{\partial}{\partial x_1}+\frac{\partial}{\partial x_2}\right)\psi'(x_1,x_2)[/tex]

along with a similar equation for the [kinetic] energy?
 
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You do it with a 2-dimensional Schrödinger equation that has an interaction term in it. Something like the following:

[tex]i\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\Psi(x_1, x_2, t) = \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x_1^2}\Psi(x_1, x_2, t) + \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x_2^2}\Psi(x_1, x_2, t) - C |x_1 - x_2|[/tex]

where the first two terms on the right are the normal kinetic energy terms for the individual particles, and the third term is the potential energy contributed by the electromagnetic force between them. I don't have all the constants right in there (C is probably Coulomb's constant with some kind of coefficient), but it's something basically like that. The key is that you have a single Schrödinger equation that encompasses the whole system, with separate kinetic energy terms that are only dependent on a single variable each, so that each particle has its own kinetic energy. Then you include a term that has both variables in it, to express the interaction between them.
 
That should have said kinetic energy... I'll change it.
 

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