Can two objects having same sign charges attract each other

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether two objects with the same sign charges can attract each other, particularly focusing on electrostatic induction and the conditions under which such attraction might occur. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding electrostatics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a neutral charged object can be attracted to a charged body due to electrostatic induction, where the charged body induces opposite charges in the neutral object.
  • Another participant agrees that under certain geometrical conditions, a small charge on a second body may not cancel out the effect of a larger charge on the first body.
  • A third participant references papers that conclude like charges can attract each other, although the specifics of these claims are not detailed.
  • One participant notes that while like charges repel, gravitational attraction between charged bodies is always present, albeit significantly weaker than electrostatic forces.
  • Another participant mentions the strong force within atomic nuclei that allows protons to remain together despite electrical repulsion.
  • Further elaboration is requested regarding the geometry needed for the attraction to occur, with a focus on how charge distribution affects the interaction.
  • There is a question raised about the effectiveness of the geometry in preventing neutralization of the same charges by the induced opposite charges on the near end of the body.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the possibility of attraction between like charges, with some suggesting conditions under which it might occur while others challenge these ideas. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the attraction mechanism.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about charge distribution and the specific geometrical configurations that may lead to attraction. The mathematical details and definitions of "charge" and "induction" are not fully explored.

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Hello

A neutral charged object can be attracted to a charged body due to electrostatic induction.A charged body will induce charges of opposite polarity in the neutral body ,hence causing attraction.

But is it possible that two bodies having same sign charges ,say two positive bodies ,attract each other.Can the two positive bodies attract each other .In other words can a body with higher positive charge induce negative charge in the second body carrying lower positive charge ?

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Hello Vibhor! Welcome to PF! :smile:

Yes, for the reason you give …

if the geometry is right, a small charge on the second body shouldn't cancel out the effect.
 
I know that this isn't at all what you have in mind, but in fact they always attract gravitationally. That's completely insignificant in comparison to the effects of other forces, but it should be mentioned.
 
Within nuclei the strong force keeps protons (and neutrons) together in spite of the electrical charge repulsion.
 
tiny-tim said:
Hello Vibhor! Welcome to PF! :smile:

Yes, for the reason you give …

if the geometry is right, a small charge on the second body shouldn't cancel out the effect.

Thanks for the welcome...Sorry for responding late...I don't have internet connection at home...

Could you elaborate with an example of how should the geometry be like ?
 
Vibhor said:
Thanks for the welcome...Sorry for responding late...I don't have internet connection at home...

Could you elaborate with an example of how should the geometry be like ?

Hello Vibhor! :smile:

If you start with a charged body inducing an opposite charge on the near side of an overall uncharged body (and so attracting it),

that happens because the charges on the overall uncharged body separate, with the "same" charges going to the far side.

Now introduce some extra "same" charge … it will distribute itself across the body, and if there isn't enough of it, it won't cancel out the opposite charge on the near side.

The further away the far side is, the more charge you can put in without cancelling the effect …

so a long thin body would be best.
 
tiny-tim said:
The further away the far side is, the more charge you can put in without cancelling the effect …

so a long thin body would be best.

How does that matter ? The "same charge" would anyhow be attracted and neutralised by the opposite charge on the near end .Isnt it ?
 

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