Can we see past from light from nearby galaxy?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of whether light from nearby galaxies or celestial objects can allow us to see the past, particularly in relation to light reflection and gravitational lensing. Participants explore theoretical scenarios involving light emitted from Earth and its potential paths through space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if light reflected from a nearby galaxy could allow us to see our past, particularly if two light sources strike the eyes simultaneously.
  • Another participant asserts that everything we see is an image of the past, noting that light from the Andromeda galaxy, being 2.5 million light years away, shows what it looked like 2.5 million years ago.
  • A participant proposes the idea that light emitted from Earth could be bent around a black hole and return to Earth millions of years later, potentially providing a view of the Earth in the past.
  • In response, another participant acknowledges the theoretical possibility of light making several orbits around a dense object but emphasizes the challenges posed by the vast scale of the universe and the low likelihood of detecting such light.
  • One participant references the Lunar Laser Ranging experiment, explaining how laser beams bounced off reflectors on the moon allow for measurement of distance and suggest that this demonstrates seeing light from our past, albeit with limitations.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of planetshine, noting that light from the sun reflects off the Earth and moon, but the scattered nature of this light complicates the ability to see a clear image of Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of ideas and hypotheses regarding the ability to see the past through light, with no consensus reached on the feasibility of the proposed scenarios. Multiple competing views remain regarding the mechanisms and implications of light travel and reflection.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific conditions for light paths, the vast distances involved, and the challenges of detecting altered light against other cosmic sources.

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sir please tellme if light is reflected from near by galaxy can we see our past from that light? if two light strikes our eyes same time which will be deteced?
 
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Everything we see is an image of the past.
Usually mirrors are very close to us, so that past is not long ago.
To see ourselves a minute in the past, we'd need to put the mirror 30 light-seconds away: which will make it hard to see unless it is a very big mirror.

Galaxies produce light of their own, they do not rely on reflected light to glow.
The Andromeda galaxy is about 2.5 million light years away - thus the light comes from 2.5 million years ago.
That's what the galaxy used to look like.

If light from two sources strikes our eyes at about the same time, we get to see a mixture of the two.
 
Is it conceivable that light emitted in the past from the Earth or the solar system might be bent (ie have been bent) around a black hole (or a similar object) and return to the Earth millions of years later which would give a picture of the Earth or the solar system millions of years in the past?

I mean in the same way that planetary probes are slingshotted around other planets to cause a change of trajectory.

I know that this phenomenon causes the gravitational lens effect but can light also be redirected into the direction it came from.
 
In principle yes - light may make several "orbits" of a super-dense object before getting away - so it can emerge at pretty much any angle. However - the idea is pretty much defeated by the Scale of the Universe.

Lets say we looked for this from Cygnus X1, a handy 6000ly away.
Looks like we would, in principle, be able to see the Sun as it was 12000 years ago!

The what we are looking for is that light from where the Earth was 6000 years ago which manages to approach CX1 in just the right way that it gets sent back to where the Earth is now so our telescopes can detect it.

The proportion of the light from the Earth that could impinge on CX1 is basically in the ratio of the radius of CX1 to 6000ly - all squared ... i.e. a vanishingly small amount. Even if we got all that light back - and we wouldn't -
the proportion we can detect would depend on the diameter of the telescope.

The light would have been altered on it's path so it would be tricky to recognize it, and we'd also have to somehow detect it against the light coming from CX1 itself and other nearby stars.

The gripping hand is that CX1 has a bright companion star, a high energy accretion disk, jets and so on that the light would have to get through (twice) in order to get slingshot back. i.e. ain't going to happen.
 
Danger9 - This might be of interest...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

When Apollo landed on the moon they left behind reflectors. We can bounce laser beams off to measure the distance between the Earth and moon. The laser light takes about 2.5 seconds to make the round trip. So we can see light from our past.

See also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetshine

Some light from the sun bounces off the earth, and the moon before arriving back at earth. We don't see an image of the Earth because the light is scattered when it hits the moons surface. However if we were to put a large mirror on the moon we could see an image of the Earth reflected in the mirror. The image would be about 2.5 seconds old.
 

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