Can you answer this unanswerable question?

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The discussion revolves around the philosophical question of "Who made God?" Participants explore various interpretations of this question, touching on themes of creation, existence, and the nature of divinity. The conversation includes speculative reasoning and references to cultural texts, as well as personal beliefs about the relationship between God, time, and existence.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if the question of who made God could be answered, it would negate the premise of it being unanswerable.
  • One viewpoint posits that "Man makes God," implying a human-centric creation of divinity.
  • A reference to the lyrics of "Aqualung" is made, which discusses the idea of man creating God in his own image.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of the "Universal Mind" as an eternal entity that has always existed, suggesting that creation is a misunderstanding of existence.
  • Some argue that the concept of creation itself may not apply to God, as God transcends time and existence.
  • There is a suggestion that God could have created himself, leading to a paradoxical view of self-creation.
  • One participant states that nothing was ever created, implying a cyclical view of existence.
  • Another perspective is that time itself may be a creation of God, raising questions about the nature of time and existence.
  • Some participants express the belief that both God and the human soul have always existed without a cause.
  • There is a discussion about the idea of a "first cause," with one participant equating God with the Big Bang as a foundational event.
  • References to various mythologies and spiritual traditions are made, contrasting views on the nature of God and creation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus reached on the question of who made God. Multiple competing interpretations and beliefs are presented, reflecting a rich debate on the topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of time, existence, and divinity that remain unresolved. Participants approach the topic from different philosophical and cultural perspectives, leading to a complex interplay of ideas.

  • #61
Originally posted by hedons
For clarify in your question, "Who made God?" please define what God is.

That seems like quite a difficult problem to describe something outside of our physical reality.
 
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  • #62


Originally posted by b11ngoo
God made God. O_O

God is wisdom. God made wisdom. The bible says God first made wisdom. Then his name is translated wisdom. So God says he first made himself. Then the Woman called Wisdom was made.

So who made God ? God himself made himself. Read my T.o.E. Thread I made. It describes digital creation. And describes God as well I believe. Since he said he made himself.

Here's the thread.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15882

Who made you ? Did you make you yet ?

I agree that something can be created from nothing. But there is no factual evidence that something that does not exist can create itself so to speak. We know that the void of space can create particles and it has been conjectured that perhaps the energy from the BB was created in this way, however, the big bang energy did not "create itself" if the theory is correct, it was created by quantum fluctuations of space.

Any book or article proclaiming to describe a god is the creation of man and none other.
 
  • #63


Originally posted by b11ngoo
Yes. I see.

Ok. How about if... the nature of the clock that started with the big bang, was the nature of God.

So. If this nature did not begin, no big bang. There is no God yet.

But he exists even then. Since the big bang clock brings him. The act of his creation is motion of the clock beginning. Zero clock time is God. Right ?

Because he is the mighty one(God), that comes from the beginning of time.

Is it so hard to believe a big bang clock may begin a mighty intelligence ?

Is God so different from A.I to a clock ? How can the clock respect A.I. and not God ?

Look at my link I gave. It describes A.I.

You've got it wrong, the big bang created the universe, it did not create god. God wasn't created until some 10 billion years(give or take a few billion) when man evolved on Earth and created the concept of god to explain things that he could not explain otherwise.

As far as the other stuff you are saying, the only thing I can say in return is:
What the hell are you talking about?
 
  • #64
what's your irrefutable proof for that statement?
 
  • #65
b11ngoo is the one that said the BB created god, so its up to him to prove it.

Making a unfalsiable claim, then demanding another to prove it's wrong else your right, is downright stupid. I think it is pretty obvious where the burden of proof lays here.

I could just as easily claim that my gym shorts are the creator of the universe, and they use their immense power to simply look like a plain pair of gym shorts. Prove me wrong!
 
  • #66
when someone claims that man created God then it sounds to me like the burden of proof is on them. until i see a proof, it's not something i will believe or disbelieve.
 
  • #67
Originally posted by phoenixthoth
when someone claims that man created God then it sounds to me like the burden of proof is on them. until i see a proof, it's not something i will believe or disbelieve.

Because by definition, a idea must originate from a human. The concept of a god is a idea, therefore it is created by man.
 
  • #68
was the idea of x-rays created or discovered?
 
  • #69
Originally posted by phoenixthoth
was the idea of x-rays created or discovered?

created by humans of course.
 
  • #70
and is that when x-rays began to exist?
 
  • #71
Originally posted by phoenixthoth
and is that when x-rays began to exist?

But were not talking about x-rays.
 
  • #72
that's very convienient of you to now, rather than before, profess that there is no comparison. why change your mind about how relevant x-rays are now rather than before when i originally asked about them?
 
  • #73
Originally posted by phoenixthoth
that's very convienient of you to now, rather than before, profess that there is no comparison. why change your mind about how relevant x-rays are now rather than before when i originally asked about them?

because we weren't and aren't talking about x-rays. We are talking about the IDEA of x-rays
 
  • #74
is your claim that man created God or created the idea of God?
 
  • #75
Originally posted by phoenixthoth
is your claim that man created God or created the idea of God?

The idea of god.
 
  • #76
No one created God. God has always been here. God = Infinite
There is no beginning to God nor any end to God.
 
  • #77
Originally posted by Death
No one created God. God has always been here. God = Infinite
There is no beginning to God nor any end to God.

Oh look here; a sweeping, unsupported claim backed by absolutely nothing but "a feeling".

God is a complex, a psychological need of humans. Believing in something does not make it true.
 
  • #78
by the same token, disbelieving something doesn't make it false.
 
  • #79
Originally posted by phoenixthoth
by the same token, disbelieving something doesn't make it false.

No but it does seem reasonable to limit belief to that which can be confirmed by observation.
 
  • #80
does one observe their "feelings"?
 
  • #81
Originally posted by phoenixthoth
does one observe their "feelings"?

I'm not sure, what are feelings?
 
  • #82
Who made whom. God's on first.
 
  • #83
Originally posted by Loren Booda
Who made whom. God's on first.

humans made god, of course.
 
  • #84
?

Oh look here; a sweeping, unsupported claim backed by absolutely nothing but "a feeling".

the belief that humans created God is a complex, a psychological need of humans. Believing in something does not make it true.

Originally posted by phoenixthoth
is your claim that man created God or created the idea of God?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Deeviant:The idea of god.
Deeviant:humans made god, of course.
 
  • #85


Originally posted by phoenixthoth
Oh look here; a sweeping, unsupported claim backed by absolutely nothing but "a feeling".

the belief that humans created God is a complex, a psychological need of humans. Believing in something does not make it true.


Originally posted by Deeviant
Because by definition, a idea must originate from a human. The concept of a god is a idea, therefore it is created by man.

I don't think my statement is driven by feelings.
 
  • #86
Originally posted by Deeviant
humans made god, of course.

what's the "proof" of this statement?
 
  • #87
Could there exist beings superior to humans who created a "God" concept superior to ours, and if so, what more might it include?
 
  • #88
Originally posted by phoenixthoth
what's the "proof" of this statement?


Originally posted by Deeviant
Because by definition, a idea must originate from a human. The concept of a god is an idea, therefore it is created by man.
 
  • #89
the quote i posted wasn't about the idea of god, it was god that humans supposedly created. what's the "proof" for what i quoted?
 
  • #90
Originally posted by phoenixthoth
the quote i posted wasn't about the idea of god, it was god that humans supposedly created. what's the "proof" for what i quoted?

Its funny that you would have taken what I have said as meaning that humans have actually created a living, breathing god. Humans created the idea of god.
 
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