Can You Apply Binomial Theorem to Expand (x + y)^5?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Euler's formula and De Moivre's theorem to express and manipulate trigonometric functions, specifically cos(5θ) in terms of cos(θ). The original poster is attempting to solve a problem that involves expanding (x + y)^5 and connecting it to a polynomial equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the conversion of cos(5θ) using Euler's formula and the challenges of eliminating sine terms. There are questions about the correct application of the binomial theorem and the proper expansion of powers of complex numbers.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using Euler's formula and De Moivre's theorem, while others have pointed out misunderstandings in the application of these concepts. The discussion includes various interpretations of how to approach the problem, with no explicit consensus reached on the correct method.

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There is a sense of urgency expressed by the original poster, who is preparing for an upcoming exam and is seeking clarity on the application of the binomial theorem in this context. The discussion also highlights the need for a deeper understanding of the underlying mathematical principles rather than just seeking a solution.

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using eulers formula express cos5ø in terms of cosø. Hence show that =cos(pie/10) is a root of the equation 16x^4 - 20x^2 +5 =0 ..

Thanks in advance .
 
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Looks like homework to me so I'm moving this to the homework section. Do you know what Euler's formula is? If so, go ahead and apply it!
 
Yup i know it

But the problem is that when i convert cos5ø in terms of (cosø + isinø )
then how do i remove the sin term ...

like this complex number has only got its real part. And using eulers formula we can't have angles different for the cos and sine terms..

Moreover we have to use the obtained result in the 2nd part of the question
 
If you know it then use it, or at least write here what you've obtained by using it, so that you can get help (not just the answer).

You know how to get rid of sin's and turn them into cos's from trig (cos^2+sin^2=1) and the real part only has even powers of sin in it.
 
I think you will have to consider only the real part here since you have only 'x' terms.
Use the De Moivre's formula for powers and roots of complex numbers.
[tex]\left[r(\cos \phi + i\sin \phi)\right]^n = r^n(\cos n\phi + i\sin n\phi)[/tex]

Hope this helps a bit...
 
I converted it into something like this ::

cos 5ø = (cosø)^5 + i cos(90-ø)^5 - icos(90-5ø)

Then what should i do
 
That is not correct. In fact it looks as though you think that (x+y)^5=x^5+y^5.

Do not write sin(x)=cos(90-x), by the way. There is no need to do that.
 
@ matt

By the eulers formula or De Movier's Theorum (cosø+isinø)^5 is cos 5ø+isin5ø
Is there anything wrong with that.

Actually I got to give the exam after two days . So please it would be really great if you could just give me the solution to this problem. I have spent too much time on it already. Have to study Physics and Chem too
 
that is right, and nothing to do with what i said: you failed to expand the fifth power as a power properly.

certainly (cosx+isinx)^5=cos5x+isin5x, but you also seem to think that this is the same as cos^5(x)+isin^5(x), which is obviously false.
 
  • #10
I think i got the solution to this problem...

Just to share it with you. We can break e^i5ø into e^i3ø e^i2ø and then solve .
Thanks anyways for all your help ...
 
  • #11
sparsh, in your original post you said "use Euler's formula". My first response was "Do you know what Euler's formula is? If so, go ahead and apply it!" Your last response was the first one where it looks like you are actually using Euler's formula!
 
  • #12
Can i know what is the basic difference between the Eulers Formula and the De moivers theorum. I mean they produce the same result.
 
  • #13
sparsh said:
Can i know what is the basic difference between the Eulers Formula and the De moivers theorum. I mean they produce the same result.
Euler's formula states:
[tex]e^{i\phi} = \cos \phi + i\sin \phi[/tex]

De Moivre's Formula states:
[tex](\cos \phi + i\sin \phi)^n = \cos(n\phi)+i\sin(n\phi)[/tex]

De Moivre's formula is useful when you are dealing with powers and roots of complex numbers.
 
  • #14
I think the basic problem is knowledge and application of Binomial Theorem, not De Moivre's or Euler's formulae.

Sparsh, you can expand second and third powers of (x + y).

Can you do the same for the fifth power ?
 

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