Can you help me understand this trig integration problem?

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The discussion revolves around a trigonometric integration problem from a calculus textbook, specifically focusing on the integration of the derivative y' = sin x cos x. Participants explore different approaches to solving the problem and the implications of constants of integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the integration process, noting that they arrive at y = (sin^2 x) / 2 and y = -(cos^2 x) / 2, questioning the validity of this conclusion.
  • Another participant points out that the integration should include a constant of integration, suggesting that y = sin^2(x)/2 + C, which leads to a relationship between the constants when equating the two forms of y.
  • A different perspective suggests using definite integrals instead of indefinite ones, proposing that this approach would yield a consistent equality for all values of x.
  • One participant acknowledges the relationship between the constants of integration after recalling the identity sin^2 x + cos^2 x = 1, indicating a partial understanding but still finding the concept somewhat strange.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the integration process, with multiple competing views on the necessity of the constant of integration and the approach to solving the problem.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of constants in integration and the potential confusion arising from different methods (indefinite vs. definite integrals). There is also an acknowledgment of the trigonometric identity that relates sine and cosine functions, which may influence the understanding of the problem.

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Hello everybody,

I've encountered the following problem in Morris Kline's textbook on Calculus (chapter 10, section 5, ex. 2) that I can't seem to understand-

if y' = sin x cos x, then if I set u = sin x, then du/dx = cos x (chain rule), then y = (sin^2 x) / 2. If I set u = cos x, then du/dx= -sin x, so I multiply the RHS of y' by -1/-1 and eventually arrive at y = -(cos^2 x) / 2. Then y = (sin^2 x) / 2 = - (cos^2 x) / 2. What's wrong?

I've been getting other problems in this section, but this one has me stumped . . . . plus I feel that I'm missing something important. Thanks, EW
 
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You can't be sure that y = sin^2(x)/2. Rather, you should have y = sin^2(x)/2 + C where C is an undetermined constant, as y' still gives you sin(x)cos(x). Now you have sin^2(x)/2 + C_1 = -cos^2(x)/2 + C_2, which is a true equation. If we carry on, we see that C_2 - C_1 = 1/2. Have you tried graphing these equations?
 
EWW said:
Hello everybody,

I've encountered the following problem in Morris Kline's textbook on Calculus (chapter 10, section 5, ex. 2) that I can't seem to understand-

if y' = sin x cos x, then if I set u = sin x, then du/dx = cos x (chain rule), then y = (sin^2 x) / 2. If I set u = cos x, then du/dx= -sin x, so I multiply the RHS of y' by -1/-1 and eventually arrive at y = -(cos^2 x) / 2. Then y = (sin^2 x) / 2 = - (cos^2 x) / 2. What's wrong?

I've been getting other problems in this section, but this one has me stumped . . . . plus I feel that I'm missing something important. Thanks, EW

Perhaps the best way to evaluate this function is to use a definite integral, rather than an indefinite with an unknown constant of integration. When you use the definite integral you get (sin^2x1) /2 – (sin^2x2) /2 = - (cos^2x1) /2 – (cos^2x2) /2. You will find that this equality holds for all values of x (in radians).
Note: x1 and x2 are the upper and lower limits of the definite integral.
 
slider142 said:
You can't be sure that y = sin^2(x)/2. Rather, you should have y = sin^2(x)/2 + C where C is an undetermined constant, as y' still gives you sin(x)cos(x). Now you have sin^2(x)/2 + C_1 = -cos^2(x)/2 + C_2, which is a true equation. If we carry on, we see that C_2 - C_1 = 1/2. Have you tried graphing these equations?

thanks, the equation makes immediate sense to me once I remind myself that sin^2 x + cos^2 x = 1 . . . I will try graphing these because it is still a little strange to me why the constants should be related in some way.
 

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