Can You Solve This Linear Transformation Equation?

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The discussion revolves around a linear transformation equation involving reflections and rotations in a two-dimensional space. Participants are examining the composition of transformations represented by matrices, specifically focusing on the reflection in the x-axis and the reflection in the line y=x.

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the correct standard matrices for the transformations involved, including the rotation matrix and the reflection matrices. There are questions about the correctness of the matrix representations and the multiplication process. Some participants express uncertainty about the signs in the rotation matrix and the implications of the angle used.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the properties of rotation and reflection matrices, with some participants questioning the assumptions made about the matrices. Guidance has been offered regarding the nature of rotation matrices and their inverses, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the initial matrix representations.

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1. R\circF\circR-1=S
where F denotes the reflection in the x-axis
where S is the reflection in the line y=x
where R = R\pi/4 : R2 \rightarrow R2

3. An attempt

I have found that the standard matrix for R = [cos\theta sin\theta]
[sin\theta cos\theta]
So therefore, the inverse of R would be the same matrix.

The standard matrix for F = [1 0]
[0 -1]

When I multiplied the matrices together, I got a matrix [1 -1]
[1 1],
which does not equal S, which should be [0 1]
[1 0].

I have tried multiplying out the matrices a few times, and I'm pretty sure this is where my mistake is, but I'm not entirely sure how to multiply cos\theta and sin\theta with actual numbers.

Thanks in advance for your help
 
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katie_3011 said:
1. R\circF\circR-1=S
where F denotes the reflection in the x-axis
where S is the reflection in the line y=x
where R = R\pi/4 : R2 \rightarrow R2

3. An attempt

I have found that the standard matrix for R = [cos\theta sin\theta]
[sin\theta cos\theta]
No, this is not the matrix. To rotate a vector counterclockwise by an angle of theta, the entry in row 1, column 2 should be -sin(theta).
katie_3011 said:
So therefore, the inverse of R would be the same matrix.
Nope, that's not true, either.
katie_3011 said:
The standard matrix for F = [1 0]
[0 -1]

When I multiplied the matrices together, I got a matrix [1 -1]
[1 1],
which does not equal S, which should be [0 1]
[1 0].

I have tried multiplying out the matrices a few times, and I'm pretty sure this is where my mistake is, but I'm not entirely sure how to multiply cos\theta and sin\theta with actual numbers.

Thanks in advance for your help
 
katie_3011 said:
1. R\circF\circR-1=S
where F denotes the reflection in the x-axis
where S is the reflection in the line y=x
where R = R\pi/4 : R2 \rightarrow R2

3. An attempt

I have found that the standard matrix for R = [cos\theta sin\theta]
[sin\theta cos\theta]
So therefore, the inverse of R would be the same matrix.
As Mark44 said, a rotation matrix is anti-symmetric, not symmetric. If the angle is, as here, \pi/4 so that cos(\pi/4)= sin(\pi/4)= \sqrt{2}/2 and the matrix is
\begin{bmatrix}\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} & -\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} \\ \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} & \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\end{bmatrix}

Further, the inverse of "rotation by angle \theta" is "rotation through angle -\theta". cos(-\theta)= cos(\theta), sin(-\theta)= -sin(\theta) so changing from \theta to -\theta changes the sign on the "sin" (off-diagonal) but not on the "cos" (diagonal) terms. The matrix rotating by angle -\theta is
\begin{bmatrix}\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} & \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} \\ -\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}& \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\end{bmatrix}

The standard matrix for F = [1 0]
[0 -1]

When I multiplied the matrices together, I got a matrix [1 -1]
[1 1],
which does not equal S, which should be [0 1]
[1 0].

I have tried multiplying out the matrices a few times, and I'm pretty sure this is where my mistake is, but I'm not entirely sure how to multiply cos\theta and sin\theta with actual numbers.

Thanks in advance for your help
 
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I'm pretty sure that the first matrix (the one for R) is correct. These are my assumptions:

If the line for e1 is at an angle theta from the x-axis (assuming that theta is less than pi/4), then the line for e2 would still be in the first quadrant, therefore all of the values would still be positive.

If this is wrong, can you explain to me why?
 
katie_3011 said:
I'm pretty sure that the first matrix (the one for R) is correct. These are my assumptions:

If the line for e1 is at an angle theta from the x-axis (assuming that theta is less than pi/4), then the line for e2 would still be in the first quadrant, therefore all of the values would still be positive.

If this is wrong, can you explain to me why?
There was no "e1" or "e2" in what you wrote before so I have no idea what a "line for e2" or "line for e2" would be.
 
Both HallsofIvy and I are telling you that your rotation matrix is not correct.
 
Thank you, I understand now
 

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