Can You Solve This Non-Exact Differential Equation?

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The discussion revolves around a non-exact differential equation presented in a homework context. The equation involves terms with \(y\) and \(e^x\) and requires manipulation to explore potential solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss various methods to manipulate the equation, including attempts to express it in standard form and considerations of integrating factors. Some express confusion about simplifying terms and integrating functions of \(y\) with respect to \(x\).

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some have suggested using an integrating factor, while others are questioning the simplifications made and the validity of their manipulations. No consensus has been reached, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

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Participants note the challenge of the equation not being exact and the limitations of the methods they have covered, such as separable and substitution methods. There is also mention of the need to check the exactness of the equation before proceeding.

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Homework Statement


This is from a worksheet...
<br /> (\frac{y^2}{2}+ 2ye^x) + (y + e^x)\frac{_{dy}}{dx} = 0<br />

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After messing with this several times, i went through the through the textbook for examples but nothing in the chapter matches with the exception of exact.. with a bit of manipulation i matched up the form. But it is not exact so that does not work. We have covered up separable, substitution, and exact and none seem to fit.

<br /> <br /> \frac{\partial F}{\partial y}= y + 2e^x \neq \frac{\partial F}{\partial x} = e^x<br />
 
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I see what you are saying but not how you can simplify the original eq into what you got.

I get

<br /> y(\frac{y}{2}+2e^x) + (y+e^x)y&#039; = 0<br />

if you say that

p(x) = (\frac{y}{2}+2e^x)

then p(x) is not going to integrate very nice.

If i distribut the y'

<br /> <br /> \frac{y^2}{2}+2ye^x + yy&#039;+ y&#039;e^x = 0<br /> <br />

rearange a bit

<br /> \frac{y^2}{2}+ yy&#039; + 2ye^x + + y&#039;e^x = 0<br />

factor

<br /> y(\frac{y}{2}+ y&#039;) + e^x(2y + y&#039;) = 0<br />

but then what?
 
I was thinking:

<br /> <br /> (\frac{y^2}{2}+ 2ye^x)dx = -(y+e^x)dy<br /> <br />

Then:

<br /> <br /> \frac{xy^2}{2}+ 2ye^x = -\frac{1}{2}y^2 - ye^x + c<br />

then to:
<br /> \frac{xy^2}{2}+ 2ye^x + \frac{1}{2} y^2 + ye^x = c<br />
 
freezer said:
I was thinking:

<br /> <br /> (\frac{y^2}{2}+ 2ye^x)dx = -(y+e^x)dy<br /> <br />

Then:

<br /> <br /> \frac{xy^2}{2}+ 2ye^x = -\frac{1}{2}y^2 - ye^x + c<br />

You can't integrate like that since y is a function of x. You need to put it into standard form:

(y^2/2+2ye^x)dx+(y+e^x) dy=0=Mdx+Ndy

Then:

\frac{1}{N}(M_y-N_x)=1=f(x)

The integrating factor is then e^{\int 1 dx}

Now multiply both sides of the standard-form by this integrating factor to make it exact then proceed to solve it using the technique of exact equations. Also, first check that it is indeed exact in case I made a mistake.
 
I did not know that Dixie Queen did this kind of calculation!
 

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