News Canada: Liberals didnt flock here

[Pengwuino]

Actually its more characteristic. When someone is trying to be informative, your surpressing all emotions in an attempt to present a clear message. Your emotions are what make you who you are and they allow what your thinking to come out in its clearest forms. At least, that's how most people come off.

 

[pattylou]

And please stop being defensive.

I did not say all liberals are crybabies. I simply said those who said they were going to leave yet chose not to were crybabies.

If I say this a third time, will it sink in? You heard that message because the media ran with it.

Let's turn that around. Here's a message I have heard from a whacked out republican (they're not all this crazy.) She said in all seriousness (and thinking this was a good plan overall) that we should threaten to nuke iraq in order to retrieve OBL. That we should give them 48 hours to comply, because they must know where he was hiding.

THis is a bit sensationalistic.

Now, let's say there were enough people with this mindset that the media decided to make a story out of it

Americans Won't Play Ball: Demand Iraq Turns Over bin Laden (Update 2)

This is "equivalent" to a kid saying "If you don't blah blah blah I'm going to tell dad and you're going to be in trouououble!"

Should I then go on the physics forum and say "Those conservatives are such bullying brats. I can't believe they wanted to nuke Iraq."

It personifies being a cry-baby... for those who chose to get on national/local television to say something they didn't really mean.

You know, this is going nowhere. I suggest you re-read some of the earlier posts on this thread.

THe basic response was incredible depression. A desire to leave. If you ever look at the process of grief you'll see this is common normal and healthy.

After the desire to leave, some small hope re-establishes itself. We rally, gather our forces, and try to make things better *now.* We've had some effect - grassroots have affected Boxer's choices, and other examples I have listed before (ex: Prepackaged news, other).

I'm sorry if you somehow see this as childish. I am not being defensive in saying I am sorry, merely sad that you don't seem to connect with the *human beings* who are your countrymen and who really are every bit as interested in the country's well being, as I assume you are.

 

[arildno]

Actually its more characteristic. When someone is trying to be informative, your surpressing all emotions in an attempt to present a clear message. Your emotions are what make you who you are and they allow what your thinking to come out in its clearest forms. At least, that's how most people come off.

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[Kerrie]

Let's get back on track instead of arguing with one another, otherwise this thread (which I think is a good one) will need to be locked.

 

[Pengwuino]

Thats odd because that's all I ever hear on this part of the site. Some Republican says something crazy like that and a thread is made about it bashing him from one end to the other. If you say something, you should mean it. If everyone said what they meant and were prepared to be accountable for it, this world would be... well maybe it woudl be boring, but it would sure be a more trusthworthy place.

Please do not try to bring up something that is obviously a double standard around this forum. Bush says somethign stupid and threads start popping up outa nowhere with no signs of "oh well, get over it, he doesn't really mean it". The US does something wrong and threads fly up over how its the worst country on earth.

We all need to mean what we say... it makes for a better world. And we also need to not have double standards where only 1 type of person is insulted for what he says while another type gets the forgive and forget treatment.

 

[Pengwuino]

Let's get back on track instead of arguing with one another, otherwise this thread (which I think is a good one) will need to be locked.

Good idea. I can only get intelligable responses out of pattylou at this point.

 

[Smurf]

oh come on. please lock it anyway! pllleeeaaasseee

 

[Pengwuino]

oh come on. please lock it anyway! pllleeeaaasseee

As Ivan told me once, if you don't have anything to contribute, please don't post.

And no... this is not an insult or threat...

[size=-5]im just tryen to get the last post before the lock :D[/size]

 

[arildno]

You have still not admitted to the blatant fact that your very first statement in this thread was a lie.
That is, the sentence:
"Turns out the cry-babys that said they were going to leave to Canada if bush was elected were of course lieing as usual"

 

[pattylou]

Please do not try to bring up something that is obviously a double standard. Bush says somethign stupid and threads start popping up outa nowhere with no signs of "oh well, get over it, he doesn't really mean it".

We all need to mean what we say... it makes for a better world. And we also need to not have double standards where only 1 type of person is insulted for what he says while another type gets the forgive and forget treatment.

... And if my friend had been president you can bet her comment would have been in the news. I think it is reasonable to hold a different standard for statesmen than for podunk (but incredibly brilliant) people like us on the internet.

It's not a double standard. If Kerry were president, he'd be the one being raked over the coals. The fact that you have the majority everywhere you look, means that the quotes are going to come from your party.

Feel free to start a thread on Dean's recent (last month?) idiotic comments. I bet that would actually make a great thread. There's nothing to stop you!

It's great to mean what you say. It's also important to recognize that human beings are whimsical and emotional, no matter how much it may be suppressed, and a precipitous desire to flee the country can be later tempered by things like ill mothers and the trauma of uprooting your children and plopping them unceremoniously into a new culture.

Were you at all nervous on election day? Think you might have said a thing or two you wouldn't say under other circumstances? Honest question.

 

[pattylou]

Good idea. I can only get intelligable responses out of pattylou at this point.

That's practically a compliment. See? I told you you were brilliant.

 

[arildno]

Pengwuino:
You have still not admitted to the blatant fact that your very first statement in this thread was a lie.
That is, the sentence:
"Turns out the cry-babys that said they were going to leave to Canada if bush was elected were of course lieing as usual"

 

[Pengwuino]

Im sorry, let me go find some data to support the "fact" that they weren't lieing

*pours over thousands of articles showing huge immigration application increases*

Oh man your so right, Americans are pouring into Canada since Bush's re-election!

*end sarcasm*

 

[arildno]

Now, you are obfuscating:
You KNOW it is untrue that they were "lying as usual".
That makes you into a liar.

 

[Pengwuino]

I do? Well the Canadian immigration agency in charge of this sure doesn't think I am a liar since i am repeating what they are saying. Are you saying the Canadian government is a lieing government?

 

[arildno]

I do? Well the Canadian immigration agency in charge of this sure doesn't think I am a liar since i am repeating what they are saying. Are you saying the Canadian government is a lieing government?

You are a liar, and you are still obfuscating.
I am not surprised; it fits your personality perfectly.

 

[Pengwuino]

So the Canadian government is lieing... sure... Please refrain from posting unless you have something factual and useful to say.

 

[arildno]

So the Canadian government is lieing... sure... Please refrain from posting unless you have something factual and useful to say.

1) First of all, learn how to write English.
2) Secondly, stop obfuscating.
3) Admit that you started out this thread with a blatant lie.
4) You are a disgrace to your nation, because you are an inveterate liar and obfuscator

 

[Pengwuino]

You are a disgrace to your nation and to mankind. You are refusing to provide any factual information. You have no proof that what I say is a lie. All you have is your own hateful opinions of everything. Please refrain from posting unless you have some factual backing to what you say.

 

[arildno]

You are a disgrace to your nation and to mankind. You are refusing to provide any factual information. You have no proof that what I say is a lie. All you have is your own hateful opinions of everything. Please refrain from posting unless you have some factual backing to what you say.

You were implying that liberals were lying AS USUAL. That is false, they do not usually lie. Implying that they are is what makes you into an actual liar.

 

[rachmaninoff]

Can someone please lock this thread already? It's nothing more than back-and-forth ad-hominems between Penguino and arildno, in four pages I don't think I've seen a single debatable issue or refutable (factual) point show up.

 

[arildno]

Can someone please lock this thread already? It's nothing more than back-and-forth ad-hominems between Penguino and arildno, in four pages I don't think I've seen a single debatable issue or refutable (factual) point show up.

I have already shown that Pengwuino's first statement is a false insinuation (he is the one who needs to back up the claim that liberals usually lie).
He refuses to admit this. That shows what type of person he is.

 

[Pengwuino]

I have already shown that Pengwuino's first statement is a false insinuation.
He refuses to admit this. That shows what type of person he is.

Where did you show this? All i saw was you calling all conservatives disgusting people

 

[rachmaninoff]

I have already shown that Pengwuino's first statement is a false insinuation.
is.

Yes, it was quite obvious what the opening post was, so why not just end this thread and let it stand as it is? There's nothing to prove here.

 

[Pengwuino]

Yes, it was quite obvious what the opening post was, so why not just end this thread and let it stand as it is? There's nothing to prove here.

Although there's no proof that its false... it must be false because someone doesn't agree withi t.

 

[arildno]

Where did you show this? All i saw was you calling all conservatives disgusting people

Again you are lying, Pengwuino:
"All i saw was you calling all conservatives disgusting people"
Nope. You responded to my very first post, so you certainly saw that one as well, didn't you?
So stop lying here.

Your first statement in the thread insinuates that liberals (or at least those liberals who said they were to leave) USUALLY lie.
This is a false insinuation.

 

[Pengwuino]

Well most over-reactions brought out by liberals are usually lies so unless you can prove that they have been telling the truth all this time, you should refrain from posting here. You can also appologize for lieing and disgracing your nation by calling an entire group of people "Disgusting". So please, stop lieing, you are giving the left a bad name.

 

[arildno]

Well most over-reactions brought out by liberals are usually lies

1) Prove that.
2) If so, are most of the over-reactions of right-wingers also mostly lies?
3) Are liberals more prone to over-reactions than right-wingers?
4) Do liberals over-react most of their time?
5)If they don't, do they still lie on a usual basis?

 

[Pengwuino]

Maybe they do! But of course, the purpose of this thread is to show that the liberals who said they were going to leave are cry-babies because they chose to not honor their word. Now, unless your going to somehow prove conservatives are disgusting human beings, you should, like i keep saying, refrain from insulting everyone.

You obviously can't be arguing simantics here or hte proper placement of words because wow, I'll point to half of this particular part of the forum and ask why you haven't gone in and made sure every opinion was correct and fully factual.

 

[arildno]

What is it that "Maybe they do!"?

You are clinging to words spoken in an already deleted post, Pengwuino.
As I've said before, this shows very clearly what type of individual you are.