Canada: Liberals didnt flock here

[Pengwuino]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050804/wl_canada_nm/canada_canada_usa_immigration_col_1

Turns out the cry-babys that said they were going to leave to Canada if bush was elected were... of course... lieing... as usual. Sensationalism at its greatest.

 

[Smurf]

Whatever...

 

[MaxS]

MY GOD!

Well now, in my view this completely justifies the countless atrocities commited by the Administration. Those stupid liberals, why can't they just live with a constant state of war and take their loss of civil liberties like the rest of us, in complete ignorance?

 

[Kerrie]

From what I have read, it's not easy to become a Canadian citizen...what you have to offer Canada, such as your education and job skills, is what helps your acceptance. What I don't understand is though, my last visit up there I saw a ton of Asians, and Eastern Indians who own businesses. Does Canada offer help to those who wish to be self employed?

And I imagine that the colder weather was somewhat of a deterrent for many Americans, as well as having no hockey this past season.

 

[SamuelGreen800]

Not really surprising. Not really thread worthy either.

But man I would like to move to Canada when I get out of school. Such beautiful countryside has quite a pull for me.

 

[Dagenais]

Turns out the cry-babys that said they were going to leave to Canada if bush was elected were... of course... lieing... as usual. Sensationalism at its greatest.

Yeah, I'm sure highly liberal Quebec can't wait to have American Democrats invading their culture and cities.

What makes them think we even want them in Canada? Canda isn't a 2nd-tier, back-up home for Americans.

Just because their unhappy with America doesn't mean Canada needs them to flock over. Do they think that just because Eastern Canada is Liberal, that that automatically gives them right to residency?

A lot of them believe that they can just march up to Canada and find a place to live. They have no clue how immigration works. The income tax itself will have them rushing back down to the States.

And what if they have problems with Stephen Harper? Where next? Greenland?

What I don't understand is though, my last visit up there I saw a ton of Asians, and Eastern Indians who own businesses. Does Canada offer help to those who wish to be self employed?

I'm guessing you were in British Columbia (lower mainland).

The deal for Asians and East Indians to get into Canada usually requires that they have a strong education and that they must have a good amount of money.

If you go to Richmond, British Columbia, you'll immediately notice the amount of wealthy Asians, usually from Hong Kong. You can find the same thing in Coquitlam, and Surrey where a lot of East Indians live.

In order to come to Canada, they must be able to support themselves completely, without Government aid. From what I've been told, sometimes employers don't completely recognize their college education or are uncomfortable with their language skills. Therefore, starting a business is a quick (risky) way to make money. Since a lot of them are wealthy anyways, starting a small business is not much of a problem.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050804/wl_canada_nm/canada_canada_usa_immigration_col_1

Turns out the cry-babys that said they were going to leave to Canada if bush was elected were... of course... lieing... as usual. Sensationalism at its greatest.

We would like to have left but its not so easy. In our case, family demands, for example, my mother who is in the hospital for the forth time in two months, exceeded our desire to leave. So grow up.

I should add that Tsu didn't want to move farther north, but all option were off the table because of family.

 

[pattylou]

We are still considering it. Though Canada is too closeto bush. We'd move to New Zealand. In some ways, we are closer to it now than we were in November; Mike said for the first time last week : If such and such happens, we *will* leave the country.

Also, see this report:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1105-24.htm

THere is no denying that liberals were stunned into considering a move. Almost every liberal I know had their plan in place - where they'd go, etc. I personally searched for job opportunities from other countries and printed them out, and I still have those on hand.

I'm not sure what your point is. Were you going to miss us?

 

[arildno]

I would hope that those Americans who are most faithful to the finest ideals of their nation (i.e., the liberals) choose to remain in the U.S, and sort out the mess after..


You're welcome in Norway, BTW.

 

[Pengwuino]

From what I have read, it's not easy to become a Canadian citizen...what you have to offer Canada, such as your education and job skills, is what helps your acceptance. What I don't understand is though, my last visit up there I saw a ton of Asians, and Eastern Indians who own businesses. Does Canada offer help to those who wish to be self employed?

Half the businesses in my city are owned by eastern indians. Supposedly its because of how their culture works (pooled money through the church)

 

[Pengwuino]

Just because their unhappy with America doesn't mean Canada needs them to flock over. Do they think that just because Eastern Canada is Liberal, that that automatically gives them right to residency?

A lot of them believe that they can just march up to Canada and find a place to live. They have no clue how immigration works. The income tax itself will have them rushing back down to the States.

No one said Canada needs them to flock over. They just threatened to move to Canada if Bush was re-elected. Of course, as we can see now, no one actually did it because they were simply over-reacting and doing their usual sensationalism.

 

[Pengwuino]

We would like to have left but its not so easy. In our case, family demands, for example, my mother who is in the hospital for the forth time in two months, exceeded our desire to leave. So grow up.

Grow up? Thats surely not a nice comment! Especially in the GD:PWA forum. I don't remember you going on national tv telling people that you were leaving for Canada... Please don't get so defensive.

 

[Pengwuino]

I would hope that those Americans who are most faithful to the finest ideals of their nation (i.e., the liberals) choose to remain in the U.S, and sort out the mess after..

Actually the right is the only group faithful to the ideals of our nation. Thats why the left want to leave. Being faithful to a nation doesn't mean mass exodus the second you don't like something. The right-wing is for capitalism, the Constitution, and freedom... this is counter to what the left in this country enjoys as seen in the latest scandals around here.

 

[Pengwuino]

No they're not. They're a bunch of disgusting human beings who pervert a great nation be their mere existence.

So where did you live when you lived in the US?

 

[Pengwuino]

Yes, I do know you have lapped up stupid rhetoric as deep truths.
It is quite evident from all your posts, you know.

Well I think your comment that you quickly deleted shows exactly what kind of person you are.

 

[Pengwuino]

No they're not. They're a bunch of disgusting human beings who pervert a great nation be their mere existence.

I caught it before you deleted it (or maybe a mod did). And again, where did you live in the US when you did live here?

 

[Pengwuino]

Your point being?

Where did you live?

And I didn't know, for example, my sister who takes care of 7 kids and a grandchild and works as a real estate agent while her husband attends college, is a disgusting human being

I mean it must be a rather baseless and hateful statement if you had to delete it (or a mod decided to deliete it).

 

[pattylou]

Actually the right is the only group faithful to the ideals of our nation. Thats why the left want to leave. Being faithful to a nation doesn't mean mass exodus the second you don't like something. The right-wing is for capitalism, the Constitution, and freedom... this is counter to what the left in this country enjoys as seen in the latest scandals around here.

So if we leave... we're unfaithful to the nation...
... and if we stay, we're sensationalistc crybabies?

Hunh. Sounds like the only alternatives are to (1) keep our mouths shut at the atrocities Bush is committing (would we get your respect if we "sucked it up" or would our silence just be more evidence for you that the nation is heading in a conservative direction?) or (2) decide we agree with you. i.e. no personal freedom of thought or choice, etc.

And... Pengwuino... I do hope you realize that there were *no* liberals that were trying to advertise their fervent wishes to leave, outside of some celebrities (and we can agree they are a bit given to drama.) Any sensationalism you perceved... was the result of the media picking up on things like the number of hits on the Canada immigration website. You'll need to forgiuve us if we didn't have the foresight to be more clandestine in our plans!

And lest it be forgotten, we are all on the same side - we all want what is best for this country.

 

[Pengwuino]

Saw your edit.
Yes, I do get angry at times, and then delete what I wrote then.

Perhaps you should consider what sort of person YOU are who actively choose to ignore the fact that the original post was removed.

Well that certainly doesn't help your case. It means I actively show that the only thing you enjoy saying are things full of hatred and bigotry. You seem to think you know a lot about the US when all you know is hateful propaganda.

Secondly, what sort of person on PF is it who brand "liberals" as traitors?
Who is that person, Pengwuino?

Im not sure... especially since your the one who branded the right as traitors...

 

[Pengwuino]

So if we leave... we're unfaithful to the nation...
... and if we stay, we're sensationalistc crybabies?

Hunh. Sounds like the only alternatives are to (1) keep our mouths shut at the atrocities Bush is committing (would we get your respect if we "sucked it up" or would our silence just be more evidence for you that the nation is heading in a conservative direction?) or (2) decide we agree with you. i.e. no personal freedom of thought or choice, etc.

And... Pengwuino... I do hope you realize that there were *no* liberals that were trying to advertise their fervent wishes to leave, outside of some celebrities (and we can agree they are a bit given to drama.) Any sensationalism you perceved... was the result of the media picking up on things like the number of hits on the Canada immigration website. You'll need to forgiuve us if we didn't have the foresight to be more clandestine in our plans!

And lest it be forgotten, we are all on the same side - we all want what is best for this country.

Third option: do what everyone has done since Day 1 of this nation. Protest, write congressmen, etc etc. Rather obvious isn't it? Please leave sensationalism out of this thread. You knew what a third option would be.

And yes, there were many people saying they wanted to leave... unless of course, i simply dreamed up the constant barrage of local news stories where common people said they were leaving to Canada. And yes, I do know most people want what's best for the US, but what's "best" is different depending on what your beliefs are. Some people think a open society where you can have sex in public and do any drug you want and demand other people pay for your hospitalization is the best for the US while others thing a medieval theocracy is what's best for the US. Most people are somewhere in between of course, and thanks to democracy, its simply a struggle to see how far people can get on either side of the scale... or come to an agreement on middle ground.

 

[Pengwuino]

No, it shows that you are the one filled with hatred and bigotry, Pengwuino.
This is evident throughout your postings at PF.

Oh yes, your right. Its fairly evident where I call people from Norway Disgusting human beings and such. Now please, voice your hateful comments somewhere else.

 

[pattylou]

Third option: do what everyone has done since Day 1 of this nation. Protest, write congressmen, etc etc. Rather obvious isn't it? Please leave sensationalism out of this thread. You knew what a third option would be.

No, I didn't. You had kept the thread very black - and - white. Liberals want to leave and don't, so they're crybabies. Conservatives are happy and stay, so they're faithful.

Leave vs. stay --- until this post you indicated no middle ground. I am glad to see you can see middle ground.

And yes, there were many people saying they wanted to leave... unless of course, i simply dreamed up the constant barrage of local news stories where common people said they were leaving to Canada.

My point was that the *media* was behind this story being aired, unless you know of some sort of liberal person or group who went out of their way to get on the news over this?

Doesn't it seem more likely that the news thought this unprecedented reaction (as evidenced on the link I gave earlier) warranted coverage --- and went out to find people to talk to?

We're not crybabies.

And yes, I do know most people want what's best for the US, but what's "best" is different depending on what your beliefs are. Some people think a open society where you can have sex in public and do any drug you want and demand other people pay for your hospitalization is the best for the US while others thing a medieval theocracy is what's best for the US. Most people are somewhere in between of course, and thanks to democracy, its simply a struggle to see how far people can get on either side of the scale... or come to an agreement on middle ground.

Let's hope we find middle ground then.

 

[arildno]

Well that certainly doesn't help your case. It means I actively show that the ONLY thing you enjoy saying are things full of hatred and bigotry. .

Oh, really?

 

[Pengwuino]

My point was that the *media* was behind this story being aired, unless you know of some sort of liberal person or group who went out of their way to get on the news over this?

Doesn't it seem more likely that the news thought this unprecedented reaction (as evidenced on the link I gave earlier) warranted coverage --- and went out to find people to talk to?

We're not crybabies.

Well now your saying that the media put the person who was interviewed up to this and that he really didn't mean it. Of course, there's no way for me to prove that the people interviewed were telling the truth but the burder of proof here resides with you finding evidence that the people were forced to say that they were going to leave. I'm talking about actual personal interviews here, not the media saying "Look at all the hits on Canada's immigration website!".

And please stop being defensive. I did not say all liberals are crybabies. I simply said those who said they were going to leave yet chose not to were crybabies. That type of action is very chidlish. Its equivalent to a kid saying he's going to run away from home if his mother doesn't give him the latest barbie doll. It personifies being a cry-baby... for those who chose to get on national/local television to say something they didn't really mean.

 

[arildno]

This is a typical example of your inbred hatred and bigotry, Pengwuino:

Turns out the cry-babys that said they were going to leave to Canada if bush was elected were... of course... lieing... AS USUAL.

It is simply false.
Besides, you should learn English grammar.

 

[pattylou]

Well now your saying that the media put the person who was interviewed up to this and that he really didn't mean it.

Ummm... no, that's not what I'm saying.

I am saying there was a real sentiment to leave, and it was not something we took out full page ads over.

We looked at immigration requirements for Canada, etc.

The Canada immigration site had historical levels of hits following the election.

I am saying that the media recognized this sentiment, saw a story, and went with it.

Can you understand how this is not the same thing as one side opf the country being "crybabies?"

 

[Pengwuino]

This is a typical example of your inbred hatred and bigotry, Pengwuino:

It is simply false.

Oh so they were telling the truth? They actually left? Well... according to Canada's immigration department... they didnt. And i didn't know simple insults towards a narrowly defined group of outspoken people are considered bigotry while your broad and disgusting insult of a political prefernece isnt.

 

[Pengwuino]

Can you understand how this is not the same thing as one side opf the country being "crybabies?"

I didn't say this was a whole side of the country being crybabies unless you can prove that every liberal in the US said they were going to leave. And you seem to miss the point completely. They said they were going to leave and all evidence points to the fact that they didn't. Thus, crybaby-ism. The media did not force them to say they were going to leave... they chose to say it themselves. If they did not want to do that, they wouldn't have said it.

 

[Pengwuino]

Besides, you should learn English grammar.

Yet another example of you dodging the issues and trying to take the subject off-topic.

 

[arildno]

Oh so they were telling the truth? They actually left? Well... according to Canada's immigration department... they didnt. And i didn't know simple insults towards a narrowly defined group of outspoken people are considered bigotry while your broad and disgusting insult of a political prefernece isnt.

a) You said "AS USUAL", and I emphasized those words. The statement you gave is false.

b) Words spoken in anger is less characteristic of an individual than those spoken when he tries to be rational or merely informative.