Can't find correct expression for discharging RL circuit

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The discussion revolves around finding the total charge that passes through a resistor in an RL circuit after a switch is flipped. The user attempts to derive the expression using the integral of current, but encounters discrepancies between their calculations and the textbook answer. Key issues include correctly applying limits during integration and managing negative signs in the equations. Clarifications are sought regarding the evaluation of limits and the significance of terms at t=0. The conversation highlights the importance of careful mathematical manipulation in deriving circuit equations.
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Homework Statement


After a switch is left for a for many time constants, it is switched to b. find an expression for the total charge that passes through the resistor in one time constant

Homework Equations


dq/dt = I(t)
I(t) = (ε/R)(e^(-tR/l))

The Attempt at a Solution


so dq = I(t) dt
I know the constant is tau but I can't find that so I am just going to call it v, v = l/R

Q = ∫(ε/R)(e^(-t/v)) dt
Q = (ε/R) ∫(e^(-t/v)) dt

let u = -t/v let du = -1/v dt

-du*V = dt

∫(e^(-t/v)) = -v ∫e^u du

∫e^u = e^u

e^u = e^(-t/v) from t to 0

∫(e^(-t/v)) = ε/r * [ -v * (e^(-t/v) - e) ] = Q(t)

its asking for total charge at one time constant (v)

ε/r * [ -v * (e^(-v/v) - e) ] = Q(v)

ε/r * [ -v * (e^(-1) - e) ] = Q(v)

((εv)/(r)) * [ -(1/e) + e ] = Q(v)

but my book is telling me the answer is

((εv)/(r)) * [ (e-1) / e ] = Q(v)
what am I doing wrong?
 
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Rijad Hadzic said:
ε/r * [ -v * (e^(-1) - e) ] = Q(t)

((εv)/(r)) * [ (1/e) - e ] = Q(v)

but my book is telling me the answer is

((εv)/(r)) * [ (e-1) / e ] = Q(v)

Did you distribute the negative sign from the first line of this post to the second line?
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
Did you distribute the negative sign from the first line of this post to the second line?

sorry my apologize! I forgot to write that

fixing it up:

ε/r * [ -v * (e^(-1) - e) ] = Q(v)

((εv)/(r)) * [ -(1/e) + e ] = Q(v)

I still don't understand how they got to

((εv)/(r)) * [ (e-1) / e ] = Q(v)

though.

I will edit my OP with the correction that you pointed out
 
Rijad Hadzic said:
After a switch is left for a for many time constants, it is switched to b. find an expression for the total charge that passes through the resistor in one time constant
What are a and b? Post the circuit diagram.
 
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When you evaluate the limits, what term is associated with t=0?
 
robphy said:
When you evaluate the limits, what term is associated with t=0?

Do you mean when I take the integral?

so from

"e^u = e^(-t/v) from t to 0"

you get e^(-t/v) - e^0 = e^(-t/v) - 1

so wait this isn't what I wrote in my OP :S damnit
 
robphy said:
When you evaluate the limits, what term is associated with t=0?

Thanks so much. I'm not sure why I'm making such simple mistakes but I feel like accelerating off a cliff rn.
 
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