Capacitor is charged then connected to a capacitor and battery

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The discussion revolves around determining the charge on capacitor C_2 after it is connected to charged capacitor C_1 and a second battery. The initial charge on C_1 is calculated as Q_1 = C_1 V_1, and the loop rule is applied to establish the relationship between the charges. A key equation derived is -Q_1 = -q_1 + q_2, which relates the charges before and after the connection. The concept of charge conservation on the isolated "island" formed by the plates is emphasized, ensuring that the total charge remains constant. Understanding this principle allows for the calculation of q_2, resolving the original query.
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Hello PF,

Homework Statement


The capacitor C_1 is connected to a battery as shown. After being charged, it is connected to the capacitor C_2 and the second battery as shown. When all the charges come to rest, what will be the charge on capacitor C_2?
http://imgur.com/4ciJRrn

Homework Equations


C = Q/V

The Attempt at a Solution


The initial charge on C_1 is Q_1 = C_1 V_1
After it is connected to the other circuit and in steady state, I used the loop rule to get the equation (q_1/C_1) + (q_2/C_2) = V_2, where q_1 is the new charge on C_1 and q_2 is the charge on C_2.
Now the problem is relating q_1, q_2 and Q_1. According to my professor's solution, -Q_1 = -q_1 + q_2.
He got that equation by doing what's shown here: http://imgur.com/WvKJ6rQ, and I have no idea where he got that from, and this is the point that I'm stuck on and why I'm posting this.
Using that equation we can find q_2 easily, but I don't understand how he got it.

Thank you.
 
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TheEvenfall said:
Hello PF,

Homework Statement


The capacitor C_1 is connected to a battery as shown. After being charged, it is connected to the capacitor C_2 and the second battery as shown. When all the charges come to rest, what will be the charge on capacitor C_2?
http://imgur.com/4ciJRrn

Homework Equations


C = Q/V


The Attempt at a Solution


The initial charge on C_1 is Q_1 = C_1 V_1
After it is connected to the other circuit and in steady state, I used the loop rule to get the equation (q_1/C_1) + (q_2/C_2) = V_2, where q_1 is the new charge on C_1 and q_2 is the charge on C_2.
Now the problem is relating q_1, q_2 and Q_1. According to my professor's solution, -Q_1 = -q_1 + q_2.
He got that equation by doing what's shown here: http://imgur.com/WvKJ6rQ, and I have no idea where he got that from, and this is the point that I'm stuck on and why I'm posting this.
Using that equation we can find q_2 easily, but I don't understand how he got it.

Thank you.

The lower plate of C1 and left plate of C2 along with the wire connecting them form an isolated "island" for charge. Whatever charge is on that island must remain, and there's no way for new charge to appear there.

So label the plates for their charges before and after the switching occurs. If the total charge on the island can't change then you can equate the sum of the charges on the plates for the before and after conditions.
 
gneill said:
The lower plate of C1 and left plate of C2 along with the wire connecting them form an isolated "island" for charge. Whatever charge is on that island must remain, and there's no way for new charge to appear there.

So label the plates for their charges before and after the switching occurs. If the total charge on the island can't change then you can equate the sum of the charges on the plates for the before and after conditions.

Got it, thanks a lot.
 
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