Capturing an RF signal from a remote controller

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of capturing and retransmitting RF signals from remote controls used for RC drones, specifically focusing on the use of Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum (DSSS) signals. Participants explore the implications of such actions, including potential legal and ethical concerns.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the possibility of capturing and storing RF signals from a drone's remote control for later retransmission, emphasizing the use of DSSS signals.
  • Another participant notes that many drone protocols are closed for security reasons and suggests that playback protections and encryption are likely employed to prevent unauthorized control.
  • Concerns are raised about the legality and ethics of intercepting drone control signals, with one participant suggesting that the original inquiry may imply illegal intentions.
  • A later reply mentions the potential use of Software Defined Radios (SDRs) as a tool for such projects, indicating a shift towards a more technical exploration of the topic.
  • There is a call for clarification on the legal implications of using RF methods to interfere with drone operations, highlighting the need for caution in discussing such topics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express concern over the legality and ethics of the proposed actions, indicating a general agreement on the need for caution. However, there is no consensus on the technical feasibility of capturing and retransmitting RF signals, as opinions vary on the security measures in place for drone communications.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the potential legal issues surrounding the interception of RF signals, but the specifics of these legalities remain unresolved. The discussion also reflects a lack of clarity regarding the technical capabilities of current drone communication protocols.

Curt Zerr
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Hello!

This is a question that's been on my mind about RC drones for a while now but it's not really something you can just google.

Is it possible to capture a transmitted signal from a remote control (with a sensitive receiver other than the one mounted on the drone) and store it in memory, then retransmit it at a later time to control the drone with that specific remote control protocol that you captured? (whether it be left, right, thrust or whatever. Or even a string of captured protocols) Let's consider that the drone transmitter/receiver is using a DSSS signal in this case. None of that crazy frequency hoping stuff.

Any information would be great!

Thanks
 
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Curt Zerr said:
Hello!

This is a question that's been on my mind about RC drones for a while now but it's not really something you can just google.

Is it possible to capture a transmitted signal from a remote control (with a sensitive receiver other than the one mounted on the drone) and store it in memory, then retransmit it at a later time to control the drone with that specific remote control protocol that you captured? (whether it be left, right, thrust or whatever. Or even a string of captured protocols) Let's consider that the drone transmitter/receiver is using a DSSS signal in this case. None of that crazy frequency hoping stuff.

Any information would be great!

Thanks
As you learned in your other thread: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/understanding-an-rf-remote-control.887214/#post-5580413
the protocols for many drones are closed (for security and reliability reasons). Probably most drones use tools to prevent "playback" hacks, although I don't know what percentage do this. Certainly the RF projects I've worked on have playback attack protections, and sometimes encryption is used as well.

What exactly are you trying to do?
 
berkeman said:
What exactly are you trying to do?

it sounds like he is trying to illegally intercept other people's drone control signals and then take control of that other person's drone
That probably shouldn't be getting discussed hereDave
 
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Thanks so much for the advice! I've never even heard of SDR radios before. I've been doing no-stop research since you mentioned them. Such an interesting hobby. The project is for school. It's to find a way to stop a drone, whether it be by physical means or something a little more elegant like radio.

Thanks again for all the help.
 
davenn said:
it sounds like he is trying to illegally intercept other peoples drone control signals and then take control of that other persons drone
That probably shouldn't be getting discussed here
Agreed.

@Curt Zerr -- I have deleted most of the responses in the thread temporarily. Please put me in contact with your instructor so I can discuss the legalities of using RF means to hack into drone flight. Either you or s/he is overlooking some legal issues involved.
 

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