Car mass and maximal speed when cornering

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between car mass and maximal speed when cornering, specifically comparing two cars with identical characteristics except for their weight. Participants explore the implications of mass on cornering speed, traction, and inertia, considering both idealized and real-world scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the lighter car may corner faster due to lower inertia and kinetic energy, while also questioning if the heavier car's increased traction compensates for this.
  • Another participant argues that the heavier car will have more traction proportional to its weight, implying both cars could corner at the same speed in an idealized scenario.
  • A different viewpoint states that the limiting cornering speed is independent of mass, assuming ideal conditions with equal friction.
  • However, a subsequent reply clarifies that if aerodynamics are considered, particularly with downforce, the mass does affect the limiting cornering speed, with lighter cars potentially having an advantage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of mass on cornering speed, with some asserting independence from mass under ideal conditions, while others highlight the role of aerodynamics and real-world factors, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Considerations include the idealized nature of the scenario, the effects of tire deformation, and the relationship between center of mass and vehicle stability, which are not fully explored or resolved in the discussion.

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Hello, I would really appreciate if someone helped me to figure this out.

Suppose we have got a car A and car B. They both have got the same body (aerodynamics), tires, center of mass, the only difference is that the car B is x times heavier than car A. Now suppose they are both going around the same corner without loosing traction and without going sideways.
The question is which car can go around the corner faster?

My intuition tells me that the lightest car can corner faster, because car B is heavier thus it has more inertia and when going the same speed it has got higher kinetic energy. But the heaviest car should also have more friction between tires and road resulting in better traction when cornering. Do both of these effects cancel each other out?
 
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Heavier car will also have more traction to use towards cornering by the same factor x. So both cars will be able to corner at exactly the same speed, at least in the idealized case.

Realistically, less tire deformation might give a lighter car a slight advantage.

Another real world consideration is that when you load the car, increasing its weight, you usually raise the center of mass as well, increasing risk of the car tipping over in a turn. But this is all about the height of CoM in relation to wheel base, and isn't directly tied to car's weight.
 
The limiting cornering speed is independent of the mass.
 
Meir Achuz said:
The limiting cornering speed is independent of the mass.

Yes, in the idealized situation that OP is (almost certainly) trying to ask about: centripetal force supplied by friction between tire and road, everything else the same.

But note that OP also specified the same aerodynamics. If the aerodynamics are the same, then the limiting cornering speed is not independent of the mass. If there is an aerodynamic downforce (any purpose-built racecar, many high-performance road cars) then the lower the mass, the higher the limiting cornering speed will be.
 

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