Careers that require upper level mathematics

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The discussion revolves around potential career paths for individuals pursuing degrees in mathematics, particularly focusing on the application of upper-level mathematics in various fields. Participants explore options such as actuarial science, computer science, cryptography, and computational physics, while expressing concerns about the practical use of advanced mathematical concepts in these careers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about career options that utilize advanced mathematics beyond basic arithmetic, specifically questioning the role of upper-level math in actuarial science.
  • Another participant suggests that pursuing a master's degree in a complementary field, such as computer science or engineering, may enhance career prospects for mathematics graduates.
  • A participant with experience as an actuarial analyst notes that while integrals are often considered upper-level math, they are not commonly used in day-to-day actuarial work, as computers typically handle such calculations.
  • Discussion includes perspectives on careers in cryptography and computational physics, where high-level math is applied, but often through programming rather than manual calculations.
  • One participant recounts a friend's success in a number theory-related position at the NSA, emphasizing the continuous learning of complex mathematics in such roles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance and application of upper-level mathematics in various careers, particularly in actuarial science. There is no consensus on the extent to which advanced math is used in these fields.

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Participants highlight the importance of understanding what constitutes "upper-level" math and its practical applications, which may vary significantly across different careers. There is also an acknowledgment of the role of technology in performing complex mathematical tasks.

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Hey there PhysicsForum...long time reader, first time poster. Ever since I was about 11, I've wanted to pursue a degree in mathematics; now that I am in my first year of college (pursuing a degree in applied mathematics), I am coming to the realization that I have absolutely no idea what I want to do with, or can do it with for that matter. Currently, I am thinking about switching my degree path to a Math/Econ option or a Math/Applied Science path, following an actuarial science plan. I've always pictured myself using advanced mathematics in whatever job I eventually get, but upon researching, I can't find much; it's mostly finance or something like that, that people with math degrees go into. I've recently considered actuarial study, but I just fear that I won't be using "upper level" math (like double integrals or something of that nature).

I was wondering if any of you know of a career that uses a lot of math that's not just simple arithmetic? And if there are any actuaries out there, is math a huge part of your daily activity. Thanks for reading the wall of text, and I hope I don't come off as someone who whining...I'm just confused about what to do.
 
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I went for a degree in applied mathematics after researching what types of options there were available. I will likely get my masters in something to complement my math skills such as computer science/electrical engineering/physics. It seems to be pretty important to get another skill that complements the mathematics, unless you intend to get your PhD in mathematics.

Here are some resources I found helpful:
http://weusemath.org/
http://www.siam.org/careers/thinking/pdf/brochure.pdf
 
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Zaculus said:
I've recently considered actuarial study, but I just fear that I won't be using "upper level" math (like double integrals or something of that nature).

A few comments on this:

1) Integrals (double or not) are not upper level math

2) Nobody does integrals of any kind. Computers do integrals. (Or, more often, solve PDE's by matching appropriate boundary conditions)

3) It's hard to know what you mean by upper level math, but you probably won't use it day to day as an actuary.

I've been working as an actuarial analyst for three years in the US and enjoy my job.
 
The friends of mine that got into cryptography, DSP, computational physics, even RF type stuff all "use" high level math. But it's rarely pen and paper stuff, usually it's within MATLAB or C++. One of my friends was very good at number theory type stuff and he landed a very, very nice job with the NSA. According to him, he is always learning incredibly difficult math for his job. He was definitely bound for a technically demanding career from what I remember of him in school. When I worked in computational physics, I would always have to deal with tricky math but unfortunately I was never the one coming up with it. I would just use it and code it. Almost all of the "creating" is done by PhD's in those type of jobs.
 

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