Cassini's Grand Finale - Fascinating New Insight

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Cassini's Grand Finale involved a series of 22 dives between Saturn and its rings, culminating in a planned plunge into Saturn's atmosphere on September 15, 2017. The spacecraft successfully completed its first dive on April 26, 2017, transmitting data back to Earth after navigating the gap between Saturn and its rings. NASA's project manager expressed satisfaction with the mission's execution, noting that no spacecraft had ever approached Saturn so closely. The final plunge was designed to gather atmospheric data, although the transmission of images was limited due to bandwidth constraints. Cassini's mission concluded with its destruction in Saturn's atmosphere, leaving behind traces of plutonium that may intrigue future civilizations.
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I thought this is interesting (and new)!

Any thoughts or insights?
E.g. I liked the "... as Cassini becomes part of the planet itself ..." on 3' 12'' ...
 
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Stavros Kiri said:
E.g. I liked the "... as Cassini becomes part of the planet itself ..." on 3' 12'' ...

Indeed. That was probably my favorite part too. It actually looked realistic.
 
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Drakkith said:
It actually looked realistic.
I guess we'll find out on September 15 [2017], or so ...
 
Also, of course, on April 26, a few days from now, Cassini's last mission begins (with its little remaining fuel), i.e. diving (several times) between Saturn and its rings ...
That ought to give us some cool pictures ... and knowledge.
I am looking forward to that! ...
 
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It should be an amazing view. I almost wish I was there!
 
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Check out today's [April 26, 2017] google's doodle! (devoted to Cassini! ...)

Also, a few days ago, I also found this interesting video about reviewing Cassini and its mission (it seems overall scientifically valid):



What I liked most about it is the explanation why Cassini has to go on Saturn itself, rather than on Titan or Enceladus (the most interesting of its moons). Check it out on 5' and forth.

Just a minor correction [on the video] (which I also noted in the comments section):

"1st dive begins April 26 not 22. On the 22nd passed by Titan for the last time. Today April 26 reaches near the rings for the first dive."
 
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NASA's Cassini spacecraft re-established contact with ground controllers shortly before 3 a.m. ET after passing through the gap between Saturn and the planet's rings. NASA says the probe is now beaming back data gathered during the "dive."

Cassini was out of contact as it began its journey into the gap because the spacecraft 's dish antenna was used as a shield to protect it from possible damage from ring particles. The antenna had been oriented away from Earth. Cassini was out of contact for about 22 hours.

In a NASA statement, the project manager said all had gone as hoped:

" 'No spacecraft has ever been this close to Saturn before. We could only rely on predictions, based on our experience with Saturn's other rings, of what we thought this gap between the rings and Saturn would be like,' said Cassini Project Manager Earl Maize of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. 'I am delighted to report that Cassini shot through the gap just as we planned and has come out the other side in excellent shape.' "

Cassini's Grand Finale, as it weaves its way between Saturn and its rings in a series of 22 dives that will culminate in what the agency describes as "a science-rich plunge into Saturn's atmosphere on Sept. 15."

Cassini was launched in 1997; its mission is slated to end one month before the 20-year mark.

NASA said Cassini came within about 1,900 miles of Saturn's cloud tops and about 200 miles from the innermost edge of Saturn's rings. Project scientists believe ring particles in the gap are no bigger than smoke particles and were confident they would not pose a threat to the spacecraft .
 
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Zahid Hasan said:
Cassini's Grand Finale, as it weaves its way between Saturn and its rings in a series of 22 dives that will culminate in what the agency describes as "a science-rich plunge into Saturn's atmosphere on Sept. 15."
Cool graphic...

https://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/system/content_pages/main_images/157_Cassini_Grand_Finale_orbits.jpg
157_Cassini_Grand_Finale_orbits.jpg
 
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Are the blue arches how far the probe will make the many passes? They are very far out or is the distance relative?
 
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Zahid Hasan said:
Are the blue arches how far the probe will make the many passes? They are very far out or is the distance relative?
They look like the actual orbit paths to me. See how each one now is diving through the gap between Saturn and its innermost ring?
 
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That's what I thought, but if those passes are so far away from Saturn how can the probe crash into the planet? I am guessing on the last pass it doesn't come out of the gravity field.
 
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Zahid Hasan said:
I am guessing on the last pass it doesn't come out of the gravity field.
Yep. Spash! :smile:
 
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I am imagining how awesome (per say) it would be to be inside that probe watching the fall, of course it will be a one way trip for anyone.

I hope they record the fall pointing the camera toward the planet. It will be scary but amazing to see it.
 
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Zahid Hasan said:
I hope they record the fall pointing the camera toward the planet. It will be scary but amazing to see it.
I think it's likely that that will do that since there will be no longer be a motivation to protect instruments aboard the craft.
It will be the only chance to look at the planet's cloud tops close up for quite a while.
I suppose the main consideration though will be to keep the transmitter sending data for as long as possible.
 
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rootone said:
I think it's likely that that will do that since there will be no longer be a motivation to protect instruments aboard the craft.
It will be the only chance to look at the planet's cloud tops close up for quite a while.
I suppose the main consideration though will be to keep the transmitter sending data for as long as possible.

I mean exactly what you said in the last sentence... even if not live but allow the general public to view the "fall" in first person view.
 
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First dive √



Next one May 2
 
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Here is a more complete and quick-view compilation of the 1st dive stunning images:



NASA's Cassini site:
https://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/

Next dive in 2 days, 18 hrs, 45min from now.

Note: the video (although not directly by the NASA channel - but see description) shows compilation of the first 116 low-res raw images released by NASA to the public on the above website a couple of days ago.
 
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Here is also the edited version (of the 1st dive images) released yesterday (May 3) by NASA JPL :
 
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Update: now 9th orbit (of 22) [ring-crossing] of Cassini's Grand Finale journey, coming up in about 3 days 18 hrs (right now June 13, 2017, 9:12am US ET).

Here is a nice video from the 2nd dive (May 2, 2017):
 
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Getting there! Don't forget the Grand finale, a few days from now, Sept 15 [2017].
Here is a nice review video:
 
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Stavros Kiri said:
Don't forget the Grand finale, a few days from now, Sept 15 [2017]
The time has come; the time is now (tomorrow 4:55 a.m. PDT (7:55 a.m. EDT and 11:55 GMT)). [PDT=Pacific Daylight Time, EDT=Eastern Daylight Time, GMT = UTC ≅ London winter time]
Here is a nice informative article (from/posted yesterday 13 Sept., 2017), from space.com:
The End Is Nigh for Cassini: Saturn Probe Enters Final 48 Hours
(https://www.space.com/38151-cassini-nears-crash-into-saturn.html)

See also:
Cassini's Saturn Crash 2017: How to Watch Its 'Grand Finale'
Or
https://www.space.com/38010-cassini- spacecraft -saturn-grand-finale.html
(Found also in the first article ... and more there ...).

Finally, here is also a prep video:
 
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Stavros Kiri said:
Finally, here is also a prep video:
Edited with a video from a more reliable channel. The previous video was still valid and ok (anyone interested I can quote ...), but the new one seems more serious.

Also here is the bottomline quote from the first article cited above:
"Cassini will begin its descent through the atmosphere at 4:55 a.m. PDT (7:55 a.m. and EDT 1155 GMT). The probe is expected to transmit data about the planet's atmosphere for about 1 to 2 minutes and is expected to be completely destroyed about 1 minute later."
 
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Here is how to watch live:


Note: read also the description for more links; there will also be live chat there tomorrow (but certainly not our PF-type of audience there! ...).
 
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It's on NASA TV now.

 
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Now!

Editing after it's over: went exactly as planned. The Cassini signal got lost exactly on schedule, as planned. The data transmitted back to Earth yet remains to be analysed and presented! ...
Looking forward to that!
 
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See edit on previous post for result. Impressions and Comments? Insights? ...
 
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Stavros Kiri said:
Looking forward to that!
:thumbup:
 
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Is there a link for the final video from the craft during the plunge? Sorry if I've missed an obvious link.
 
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berkeman said:
Is there a link for the final video from the craft during the plunge? Sorry if I've missed an obvious link.
I believe all data was dedicated to science observations, there wasn't enough bandwidth to live stream the reentry and the last images were transmitted on the 14th. ((would have been a hell of a show to watch though):woot:
 
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Ah, thanks. Makes sense. :smile:
 
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Cassini may have become one with a gas giant but here is a trailer of sorts for possible upcoming attractions (Ice Giants are going to be in the spotlight after Juno, with the exception of certain well known moons and a rocky planet or two). Let's see now... launch approximately 2030, 13 year cruise... I doubt I'll be in the audience for that show. :wink:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/icegiants/mission_study/Full-Report.pdf
 
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Here is some of the best I found so far:
1. End of mission:

2. Last look at Saturn:

3. See Where the Cassini Spacecraft Crashed into Saturn (Photos)
(https://www.space.com/38170-cassini- spacecraft -saturn-crash-site-photos.html)
4. In Photos: Cassini Mission Ends with Epic Dive into Saturn
(https://www.space.com/38168-cassini-grand-finale-saturn-final-photos.html?utm_source=notification)

Also regarding
berkeman said:
Is there a link for the final video from the craft during the plunge? Sorry if I've missed an obvious link.
I agree with @1oldman2 . See/read e.g. #3. :

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The last photos NASA's Cassini spacecraft ever took were of its own grave.
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Cassini burned up like a meteor in Saturn's atmosphere early this morning (Sept. 15), ending its historic 13-year study of the ringed-planet system with a dramatic final plunge.

And you can see exactly where Cassini went in, thanks to a series of images the probe took during its approach to the gas giant yesterday afternoon (Sept. 14). [In Photos: Cassini's Last Views of Saturn at Mission's End]

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Why are there no images from today, during the plunge itself? The mission team prioritized other information, such as measurements of Saturn's atmospheric composition. And the data-transmission rate to Earth was low — so low that images would have hogged too much bandwidth, mission team members said."
 
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Saturn now has some Plutonium, in it's atmosphere.
That sure will be interesting to alien astronomers.
 
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rootone said:
Saturn now has some Plutonium, in it's atmosphere.
That sure will be interesting to alien astronomers.
Or to possible future inteligent lifeforms (from the moons). If they solve the mystery they will attribute it to an "ancient alien probe" ...
 
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Any Pu compounds are not likely to stay in the upper atmosphere for long. They are too heavy.
 
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nikkkom said:
Any Pu compounds are not likely to stay in the upper atmosphere for long. They are too heavy.
Good point. Also I was kind of joking in the post above that, but: (Question to everyone)

Is it possible that this whole Cassini business (story) has left some trace in the planet, for its pass, possible to be discovered and "decoded" later by some future civilization?

[Plutonium traces is one case, as it didn't naturaly fit in the planet before - it doesn't match the rest of the expected planet's composition ... . But is that the only trace?]

Another question: why didn't they keep Cassini in natural orbit around Saturn? [Kind of like an allegedly "black knight satelite" ... to be seen or even used in the future ... (even NASA, ESA etc. could perhaps still make some use of it in the future! ...)]

Can it be that the "bacteria contamination (to the moons Titan and Enceladus)" is just an excuse?
 
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Had Cassini exploded on takeoff from the failing rocket engine, wouldn't it have spread the Plutonium to the Earth atmosphere? What is the effect of this? How much radiation can each person receive. Maybe it shouldn't have taken off as it can give precedence for other probes to go up too.
 
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fanieh said:
Had Cassini exploded on takeoff from the failing rocket engine, wouldn't it have spread the Plutonium to the Earth atmosphere?

Possibly, but the RTG's are fairly robust if I remember correctly. They may have had a good chance of surviving relatively intact.

fanieh said:
What is the effect of this? How much radiation can each person receive.

The answer is complicated, as it involves many different factors, such as the type of radiation, area the radiation is received at, whether the exposure to the radioactive element is external or internal, and many others. The plutonium in the RTG's is in the form of Plutonium Dioxide, which poses far less danger than many other radioactive isotopes, as it emits alpha particles (which can't even penetrate your skin) and is insoluble in water, being excreted from the body fairly rapidly (minimizing the risk of alpha particle radiation if ingested). Inhalation of particulates is slightly more dangerous I believe.

While I don't know the danger of an explosion on takeoff, NASA did a risk analysis on what would happen if the spacecraft malfunctioned and impacted Earth during its flyby:

The terrestrial flyby was the final instance when the probe posed any conceivable danger to human beings. The maneuver was successful, with Cassini passing by 1,171 km (728 mi) above the Earth on August 18, 1999.[47] Had there been any malfunction causing the probe to collide with the Earth, NASA's complete environmental impact study estimated that, in the worst case (with an acute angle of entry in which Cassini would gradually burn up), a significant fraction of the 33 kg[34] of plutonium-238 inside the RTGs would have been dispersed into the Earth's atmosphere so that up to five billion people (i.e. almost the entire terrestrial population) could have been exposed, causing up to an estimated 5,000 additional cancer deaths over the subsequent decades[48] (0.0005 per cent, i.e. a fraction 0.000005, of a billion cancer deaths expected anyway from other causes; the product is incorrectly calculated elsewhere[49] as 500,000 deaths). However, the chance of this happening were estimated to be less than one in one million.

So we expect there to be about 1 billion cancer deaths from all other causes within the next several decades and the worst case projection is an additional 5,000 deaths spread out over this time period (around an extra 100-250 per year). An explosion on takeoff would almost certainly pose far less risk, as the plutonium cannot spread as far and launches always occur over the ocean, not land, minimizing the risk of direct exposure to the population. That also assumes that the RTG's are completely destroyed in the incident, which may not happen.

fanieh said:
Maybe it shouldn't have taken off as it can give precedence for other probes to go up too.

Good. RTG's are excellent power sources for space probes that venture to the outer solar system.
 
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anyway RIP Cassini!
 
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Here is an article about other manmade probes which have landed (or crash landed) on other planets. I did not realize how many there were. Not all are from the United States. In fact, the first one to touch Mars was from Russia (with Love... Ha!)
http://vis.sciencemag.org/space-graveyard/
 
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My only memory of Cassini was when my friends were signing petition to avoid its launch sometime in 1997. I could recall the fear in everyone. Anyway. I got this video PBS Nova Cassini Death Drive to Saturn https://www.space.com/38150-new-film-nova-death-dive-to-saturn.html It may be a good intro to Cassini for those ignorants like me who didn't know the experiences it underwent the past 20 years... see also http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/?utm_source=promourl&utm_medium=direct&utm_campaign=nova_2017

I'll watch the video after finishing watching some TV series I got... anyway... when will Cassini II (or similar) mission be launched.. would it dig into Europa ocean and catch some whale in action?
 
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fanieh said:
My only memory of Cassini was when my friends were signing petition to avoid its launch sometime in 1997. I could recall the fear in everyone.

Fear of what?
 
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Drakkith said:
Fear of what?
I assume he means explosion upon take off (cf. his first post earlier ...)
 
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Drakkith said:
Fear of what?

fear of Cassini failure in the atmosphere contaminating Earth with all its nuclear payload batteries...

anyway. if an ICBM was hit by an THAAD kinetic missile in the upper atmosphere. what would produce more radiation.. the disintegrating ICBM or the exploding Cassini in the upper atmosphere?
 
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fanieh said:
fear of Cassini failure in the atmosphere contaminating Earth with all its nuclear payload batteries.
The amount of plutonium is only a kg or so.
Had there been a launch accident it would very likely have come down in one piece.
So not widespread contamination, certainly no nuclear explosion, and I am sure there would have been an emergency fast cleanup plan.
 
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fanieh said:
anyway. if an ICBM was hit by an THAAD kinetic missile in the upper atmosphere. what would produce more radiation.. the disintegrating ICBM or the exploding Cassini in the upper atmosphere?

That's a bit off topic.
 
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