Causes of Diffraction Patterns

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The discussion revolves around the causes of diffraction patterns observed in two-slit experiments and electron microscopy. Participants explore the relationship between the geometry of the setup and the interactions of light or electrons with the slits, questioning the consistency of explanations across different contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that diffraction patterns in two-slit experiments are typically attributed to geometry rather than interactions between light/electrons and the slit edges, raising questions about this distinction.
  • Another participant introduces Huygens' principle as a potential explanation for diffraction, suggesting that single slit diffraction can be understood as interference from infinitely many slits.
  • A different participant questions how Huygens' principle applies to electron microscopy, hinting at the importance of detector placement in understanding diffraction patterns.
  • One participant asserts that diffraction lacks a fully justified explanation, emphasizing its nature as a phenomenon.
  • Another participant argues that the geometry of the slits constitutes the interaction, linking it to the electromagnetic field and boundary conditions of the material properties.
  • A later reply claims that light interacts with the edges of slits, suggesting that refraction occurs at the slit edges and proposing a mechanism involving energy transfer to outer electrons of the slit material atoms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of interactions versus geometry in causing diffraction patterns. There is no consensus on the explanations provided, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific interpretations of physical phenomena, and there are unresolved questions regarding the mechanisms behind diffraction in different experimental setups.

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Take a two-slit diffraction experiment. From what I've read or gathered, it is supposed to be caused by the geometry of the setup, and the frequency of the light (maybe a few more things). But, it is talked about in terms of the geometry, and no cause attributed to interactions between the light and the corners of the slits. I've even had someone tell me it couldn't be an interaction between the light and corners of the slits.

And even using electrons instead of light, it's still talked about the same; as the geometry and not about the electrons interacting with the substance of the slits.

But, when you probe a substance with an electron source, say like an electron microscope, it's clearly (to me at least) talked about in the sense of the electrons interacting with the substance being probed, and that the cause of the diffraction pattern.

I find these two things inconsistent; one an interaction and the other not. How is it again that we know (if I don't have my facts mistaken) the diffraction pattern of a two-slit experiment is not caused by interactions between the light/electrons and the sides of the slits?
 
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Do you know Hyugen's principle? It is difficult to understand in words, but easy in pictures, so search the web. It explains diffraction completely.

Basically, think of single slit diffraction as two slit interference, with infinitely many slits. What I am saying is that the single slit "acts like" infinitely many, infinitely small slits that interfere normally.
 
Crosson,

I'm not real familar with Hyugen's principle. Thanks, I'll do a web search.

But how does that answer in the case of eletron microscopy? I guess it might be a matter of where the detector in it is located .. in front of, behind, or all around the sample being probed?
 
look guys. Diffraction simply has no real justified reason. Thats why it is a phenomenon!
 
The geometry *is* the interaction. In the plane of the slits, the electromagnetic field is confined to a specific region of space, given by boundary conditions that ultimately reflect the material properties.

Diffraction and scattering are the same thing.
 
Diffraction is awesome... :)
 

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Nacho: Certainly light interacts with the edges of slits. The interaction actually 'refracts' those photons, electrons, etc. that 'hit' the very thin slit edges. Refraction is induced where photons hit very thin parts of the slit (ideally monoatomic +/-thicknesses). Photonic energy is transferred to outer electrons of the slit material atoms, raising their (atom electron) energy levels. As the electron energies fall-back to their 'normal' state, the excess energy is emanated as secondary phtonic energy - probably of a frequency close (or harmonic?) to that of the impinging photon. So the poorly-understood "bending of light" around slit edges is dominantly a refraction process. The process does not work well when slit material thickness exceeds the ability of the impinging photon to penetrate the material completely. This explanation 'works for me' . . . no one has been able to explain this ever since Young first discribed the diffraction phenomenon. I have a brief write-up on this "theory", send me an email and I'll forward it to you. Please nominate me for the Nobel Prize in Physics! . . . haha! Regards,

Bill
 

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