Center of gravity of a portion of cylinder

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the center of gravity (CG) of a portion of a cylinder filled with mass. Participants explore methods for calculating the CG, particularly in relation to the geometry of the cylinder and the mass distribution within it. The conversation includes technical reasoning and attempts to reconcile discrepancies between analytical calculations and results from 3D modeling software.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to finding the CG by dividing the mass into a rectangle and a triangle, but notes a discrepancy with the results from 3D modeling software.
  • Another participant points out that the cross sections of the cylinder form circular segments, suggesting that the dimensions from a side projection may not yield accurate results for a circular cylinder.
  • A suggestion is made to use numerical integration, specifically Simpson's first rule, to approximate the CG by calculating the area at various cross sections and determining moments from one end of the cylinder.
  • Participants inquire about examples or resources to better understand the numerical integration method for calculating the CG.
  • One participant provides links to resources that explain circular segments and suggest creating a table of values for cross sections to apply Simpson's multipliers.
  • Attention is drawn to the importance of closely spaced cross sections at the ends of the cylinder where the depth of contents decreases, to enhance accuracy in calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate methods for calculating the CG, with some advocating for numerical integration while others question the initial approach. No consensus is reached regarding the best method or the discrepancies noted between calculations and modeling software results.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the initial approach, including the need to account for the circular geometry of the cylinder and the potential inaccuracies in using side projections. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the effectiveness of different methods for calculating the CG.

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The blue is the mass inside a cylinder. In steady condition, I would want to know where its Center of gravity point shall be from either of the ends. Technically its like one mentioned in figure # 2 .It can be regarded as a portion of cylinder

Trials :
1) Divided them as a rectangle and a triangle and tried to combine the CG . (answer did not match with 3D models)
Workout :

Combined Center of gravity = area of Rectangle*Center of gravity of Rectangle + Area of triangle* Center of gravity of triangle/(Area of Rectangle+ Area of Triangle)
In this case, (taking all from left end : CG=(500*50+250*33.33)/(500+250)

No clue why it doesn’t match with the 3D modeling software’s answers. Per software, Center of gravity = 41.89 from left Any ideas ?

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I don't understand how your first picture combines with the second.
 
It's just to give an idea. However, if figure 2 is viewed from the side it translates to what I have in figure 1 except for the depth on right hand side of the filled portion
 
If you look a Fig. 2, you'll see that cross sections cut thru the cylinder perpendicular to the centerline axis form circular segments. You can't simply use the dimensions from the side projection in Fig. 1 and calculate a meaningful result for a circular cylinder. If you had a rectangular tank, you could get away with it.

You can calculate an approximate value of the longitudinal c.g. of the contents by using numerical integration (e.g., Simpson's first rule) by figuring the area at a series of equally spaced cross sections and then calculating moments from one end of the cylinder. The final result should give you the volume of the contents and the first moment about one end, and you can calculate the c.g. by dividing the moment by the volume.
 
You can calculate an approximate value of the longitudinal c.g. of the contents by using numerical integration (e.g. said:
Is there any example I can look at ?
 
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Is there any example I can look at ?

Yes, in this attachment:

http://www.pomorci.com/Skole/Stabilitet/STABILITY 10,11,12.pdf

You'll also want some info about calculating the areas of the various circular segments:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_segment

In your calculation, the distance of the cross section from one end of the cylinder will be x, and the area of the cross section of the contents will be y, which is also called the ordinate. You'll want to create a table of these x and y values and then apply the Simpson's multipliers and the ordinate values. This type of calculation works well using a spreadsheet program like Excel.

Pay close attention to the end of the cylinder where the depth of the contents gradually vanishes. You may want to use more closely spaced cross sections in this region to improve accuracy.
 
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